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Facebook User Growth, Time Spent Fall on News Feed Changes

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Re: Facebook User Growth, Time Spent Fall on News Feed Changes

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Worse yet, do you know how frustrating it is to be told that there are no more updates available while you know that you a missing life events from friends that actually posted them. After a while you realize that there is no point in posting your own because they will similarly not show up for friends. Cutting back on FB has become ever easier over time.

> Worse yet, do you know how frustrating it is to be told that there are no more updates available while you know that you a missing life events from friends that actually posted them. Or trying to find something you saw in your feed, which then disappeared for no obvious reason. I can't decide whether I'm a pigeon in a Skinner box run by humans, or a human in one run by pigeons, but either way, the experience is unp…

Or trying to find something you saw in your feed, which then disappeared for no obvious reason

The reason is the time you subsequently spend looking for it is “engagement” in their metrics.

Re: Facebook User Growth, Time Spent Fall on News Feed Changes

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Am I the only one who views Facebook by Most Recent? They don't make it easy, and I don't think you can default to it, but I just point all my bookmarks to https://www.facebook.com/?sk=h_chr Still though, Facebook could be so much better. The problem is that a profit-driven social media site is always going to have different goals than its users. Free ones seem to never gain traction. Currently, most of my friend gro…

Am I the only one who views Facebook by Most Recent?

Do you think most recent really is everything in reverse chronological order, or just a slightly different algorithm?

Re: Facebook User Growth, Time Spent Fall on News Feed Changes

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post #186

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> Disclosure: I worked there for 8.5 years, including writing Facebook Chat. In my book this is equivalent to saying you worked for Philip Morris for 8.5 years and worked on campaigns to bring in new smokers.

Your book is poorly written: even accepting your premise, I didn’t work on the growth team.

I think it's respectable that you gave a disclaimer that you worked there in a thread about Facebook's use value. It's a little unlikely that doing so wouldn't result in an accusation of bias, too. It certainly should not be the basis for an ad hominem against your response. So it brings me to, why mention it?

Re: Facebook User Growth, Time Spent Fall on News Feed Changes

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Posting anything deeper than dank memes & news seems futile, when The Algorithm decides who can see your post. If they want people to make better content, they need to start figuring out why people feel like their better content gets no audience.

There was an article that I can't find for the life of me about how someone suffering with depression had killed himself, and it was only a long time afterwards that any friends friends knew because Facebook hadn't been showing his posts. IIRC they looked through his feed and there had been basically cries for help, but no one had seem them because Facebook was prioritizing engagement and not personal content. How ma…

this reads like a black mirror episode

Re: Facebook User Growth, Time Spent Fall on News Feed Changes

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I didn’t see anyone else mention this, but to me it is a problem of facebook’s own making. They drove personal content off the site when they pushed videos and pictures by “viral marketing” firms onto it. They replaced groups (inherently personal) with pages, then scrambled to try and bring groups back years later. They turned the wall to spam from various garbage apps that were given permission to crap all over it b…

So you think "the problem" is all the things that Facebook started doing when there were 10 million registered users that grew it to 1.4 billion daily actives? A problem that can be rectified by Facebook, literally 11 years after some of the things you talk about, tweaking news feed weights towards personal posts from friends and other changes to allow users to spend time on the site more efficiently is not a serious…

Facebook cheated the numbers, so to speak. In every poor SEA country is a Facebook plan, or plan with x data + free Facebook. Stop acting like it was organic growth, it really wasn't and we both know that.

Re: Facebook User Growth, Time Spent Fall on News Feed Changes

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Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, Twitter usage are all down. People are just spending less time on social media apps for some reasons these days. https://www.similarweb.com/blog/social-media-usage

For me FB has become too samey.

- News: the same articles everyone is posting everywhere. Plus nutter conspiracy theorists educating us all about why the earth is flat / we never went to the moon / we should embrace communism/capitalism on completely unrelated threads.

- Friends: same people going on about the same things. One guy has a special hatred for Trump that he vents every day. Another guy talks about local affairs for his little island community. Both people I know IRL, but online they become cartoons.

- Groups: same messages over and over, with news mixed in. Sports team group news is a filter for your team. So I see all the transfers for my team, and all the game updates and comments from the fans. Pretty low quality, as in "anyone know this guy we're buying? Yeah, he's a midfielder". And permanently "We should fire the coach / He's the best coach ever".

- Baby pics / anecdotes. These are great, but take about 5 seconds to consume and like.

Re: Facebook User Growth, Time Spent Fall on News Feed Changes

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My wife and were 'in a relationship' on Facebook within a few months of meeting each other. Then we were 'married'. Even still, for the first four or so years that we had each other on FB, it wouldn't show me her posts. They just weren't in my feed, I'd scroll down so far I was seeing content from months ago, but I'd never see anything she'd posted that week. Eventually it took me telling FB I didn't want to see post…

Geeze, I had the EXACT same issue. I almost NEVER see stuff from my wife (even after I marked her stuff as something I want to see). I always see friends that I never interact with and their events that they're going to or all of the meme pages my friends like. But my wife's stuff? Not very much. I hate using Facebook. The only reason I haven't removed my account is because it's the only way to keep up with certain f…

That's what the follow feature is for. You can get notified on ALL activity of a friend of you are willing to click two.

Re: Facebook User Growth, Time Spent Fall on News Feed Changes

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Your book is poorly written: even accepting your premise, I didn’t work on the growth team.

I think it's respectable that you gave a disclaimer that you worked there in a thread about Facebook's use value. It's a little unlikely that doing so wouldn't result in an accusation of bias, too. It certainly should not be the basis for an ad hominem against your response. So it brings me to, why mention it?

Not a disclaimer, but a disclosure :)

The reason I mentioned it was because it was rather relevant to my having the incentive to remember the timelines of FB launching various features almost a decade ago.

Re: Facebook User Growth, Time Spent Fall on News Feed Changes

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post #195

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So you think "the problem" is all the things that Facebook started doing when there were 10 million registered users that grew it to 1.4 billion daily actives? A problem that can be rectified by Facebook, literally 11 years after some of the things you talk about, tweaking news feed weights towards personal posts from friends and other changes to allow users to spend time on the site more efficiently is not a serious…

Facebook cheated the numbers, so to speak. In every poor SEA country is a Facebook plan, or plan with x data + free Facebook. Stop acting like it was organic growth, it really wasn't and we both know that.

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