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Who has switched from Software Engineering to Law? I'm considering it because of the lack of women in software engineering, and the multitudes in Law.
It's easy to end up six figures in debt with no decent job prospects.
While the American Bar Association certainly dose not use violence the whole system stinks like a protection racket. The fact they pushed states to enact a form regulatory capture is pretty messed up. Then add the fact apprenticeships are not the norm so these lawyers are not making as much. Overall, it's quite silly and sad.
Yes it's terrible the ABA has created a system that rigorously weeds out unqualified individuals, polices it's professional members ethics and uses education and testing to ensure all lawyers have a solid baseline education. Terrible! I wish software engineerers had an actual equivalent to the ABA, and no the ACM doesn't count.
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It's a prosecutor's job to get someone convicted. So, given they succeeded, why do you consider them incompetent? Perhaps the innocent man's own lawyer (defender) was incompetent?
> It's a prosecutor's job to get someone convicted. It's their job to seek justice. May seem like a distinction without a difference, but it's a crucial one. http://www.henrycty.com/Departments/States-Attorney/The-Role... https://sidebarsblog.com/prosecutorial-misconduct-spiderman-...
I come from a family with several California lawyers (I am a lawyer as well) and see this transition from apprenticeship to law school in my family. My great, great uncle was a lawyer and a judge in a small town in the Bay Area. He never went to law school. His nephew, my grandfather, went to law school, but only needed a 2 year college degree to attend law school. He became the judge in the town after his uncle reti…
I might be missing something about the part regarding unpaid internships. Is this because those internships do, or can, pay so well (my former roommate IIRC was bringing in a couple thousand a week over the summer)? I don't really know the content of what those interns do but it seems if it's something that someone would be paid to do as a job that they should be compensated. CA has strict rules about that stuff because they have been, and still are, abused (see the entertainment industry).
Overall though, whether lawyers or other professions, our move away from apprenticeships and other sorts of on the job training or investment in employees has most likely been detrimental. When you read complaints about us Millenials job hopping and 'having no loyalty' a quick peek behind the curtain should reveal that it's not only economic (esp. given student debts) but you learn rapidly how merciless companies can be.
I come from a family with several California lawyers (I am a lawyer as well) and see this transition from apprenticeship to law school in my family. My great, great uncle was a lawyer and a judge in a small town in the Bay Area. He never went to law school. His nephew, my grandfather, went to law school, but only needed a 2 year college degree to attend law school. He became the judge in the town after his uncle reti…
Thanks for the insightful comment. I might be missing something about the part regarding unpaid internships. Is this because those internships do, or can, pay so well (my former roommate IIRC was bringing in a couple thousand a week over the summer)? I don't really know the content of what those interns do but it seems if it's something that someone would be paid to do as a job that they should be compensated. CA has…
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Thanks for the insightful comment. I might be missing something about the part regarding unpaid internships. Is this because those internships do, or can, pay so well (my former roommate IIRC was bringing in a couple thousand a week over the summer)? I don't really know the content of what those interns do but it seems if it's something that someone would be paid to do as a job that they should be compensated. CA has…
On internships, there are different contexts. One can clerk at a law firm during law school and be paid for it and a starting attorney at a firm is often arguably paid more than they are worth making them akin to an intern (the firm is investing in cultivating future attorneys for their firm). These are the opportunities I am suggesting are shrinking dramatically, but still exist. The intern context I’m speaking abou…
I come from a family with several California lawyers (I am a lawyer as well) and see this transition from apprenticeship to law school in my family. My great, great uncle was a lawyer and a judge in a small town in the Bay Area. He never went to law school. His nephew, my grandfather, went to law school, but only needed a 2 year college degree to attend law school. He became the judge in the town after his uncle reti…
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Who is Mike Ross? When searching such a common name (at least it sounds common to me, a non-native speaker), I see a politician, someone who got capital punishment, and a bunch of other people. Adding lawyer to the query doesn't seem to help.
> Adding lawyer to the query doesn't seem to help. Maybe it's your search engine that's to blame? In Google the whole first page if full of relevant results when searching for either Mike Ross and Mike Ross lawyer.
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Thanks for the insightful comment. I might be missing something about the part regarding unpaid internships. Is this because those internships do, or can, pay so well (my former roommate IIRC was bringing in a couple thousand a week over the summer)? I don't really know the content of what those interns do but it seems if it's something that someone would be paid to do as a job that they should be compensated. CA has…
On internships, there are different contexts. One can clerk at a law firm during law school and be paid for it and a starting attorney at a firm is often arguably paid more than they are worth making them akin to an intern (the firm is investing in cultivating future attorneys for their firm). These are the opportunities I am suggesting are shrinking dramatically, but still exist. The intern context I’m speaking abou…
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> Lawyers currently have one of the most bi-modal salary distributions of any profession. I understand what you're saying but I feel like the top 50 would be occupied by people in various types of art, food preparation/serving, personal care/service, and writing. It would probably be top 3 easily for the amount of debt most of the lawyers go into for their degree(which seems to be the issue you are getting at anyways…
Income in those professions is not bimodal; it follows a power law. The frequency distribution of income for US lawyers has two clear modes (local maxima) at around $50,000 and $160,000 [1], meaning that roughly the same number of lawyers earn each of those salaries. Put another way, a randomly-selected US lawyer is more likely to earn $160,000 than the much lower mean US lawyer salary. [1]: https://economix.blogs.ny…