I find it interesting the article doesn't talk about physical health. Many of the mental health drugs cause extreme weight gain which can lead to depression.
With teen mental health deteriorating over five years, there’s a likely culprit
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Re: With teen mental health deteriorating over five years, there’s a likely culprit
#82Study: Increases in Depressive Symptoms, Suicide-Related Outcomes, and Suicide Rates Among U.S. Adolescents After 2010 and Links to Increased New Media Screen Time Citation: Jean M. Twenge, Thomas E. Joiner, Megan L. Rogers, Gabrielle N. Martin. Clinical Psychological Science Vol 6, Issue 1, pp. 3 - 17. November 14, 2017. Link: https://doi.org/10.1177/2167702617723376 DOI: 10.1177/2167702617723376 Abstract: In two na…
Are you manually linking the study or automating it? I have seen your effort across multiple threads
I'd love to see something like this become a feature on HN/reddit: above the normal replies there is one special pinned (and perhaps even moderated) thread which is strictly used to gather links to original articles / alternative sources / studies / ...
Re: With teen mental health deteriorating over five years, there’s a likely culprit
#83Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think it's fair to be off-hand sceptical without digging into the details of the paper. Since we don't really understand depression, it seems fairly obvious that it would be nigh on impossible to control for causes we don't know.
No, it is never fair to react to a peer reviewed scientific study with off hand skepticism.
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#84Except from 2010 - 2015 many teens did feel a crushing sense of economic dread as they dealt with the realities of student loans, an out of reach housing market, devalued college degrees, the gig economy, promises of no retirement, etc. The article just skims over it with a quick this is why economics couldn’t have been the reason.
> the realities of student loans, an out of reach housing market, devalued college degrees, the gig economy, promises of no retirement, etc. Have you ever met a teenager? Almost literally zero percent of them think (or need to think) about this stuff, with the possible exception of some of the very oldest teenagers (ie, people in their first or second year of college who are starting to think about the details of the…
Their parents would have been very stressed and the kids would have unconsciously picked up on it.
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#85They did a study using Facebook. But I'm more curious about Instagram. "Look at all these rich beautiful people with millions of followers sailing around the world on their yachts." Ten minutes on Instagram is enough to fill any sane person with existential dread and bring about severe depression.
I'm not sure that "sane" is the right term to use for a person who becomes suicidal from looking at pictures of rich people. Obsessively materialiastic, maybe. Sane, no.
We're talking about teenagers here, give 'em a break.
Re: With teen mental health deteriorating over five years, there’s a likely culprit
#86Except from 2010 - 2015 many teens did feel a crushing sense of economic dread as they dealt with the realities of student loans, an out of reach housing market, devalued college degrees, the gig economy, promises of no retirement, etc. The article just skims over it with a quick this is why economics couldn’t have been the reason.
> the realities of student loans, an out of reach housing market, devalued college degrees, the gig economy, promises of no retirement, etc. Have you ever met a teenager? Almost literally zero percent of them think (or need to think) about this stuff, with the possible exception of some of the very oldest teenagers (ie, people in their first or second year of college who are starting to think about the details of the…
Teenagers might not think in these terms, but their parents do. Aside from parents directly projecting their vision on children, kids can read anxiety or stress from their parents and be ‘contamined’ by these feelings.
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Re: With teen mental health deteriorating over five years, there’s a likely culprit
#88Screen time is a symptom, not a cause. One of the vital drives of adolescents are to gain independence from their parents and figure out their own place in life. To do this, teens need to interact with peers, hang out, make mistakes, and generally be sociable. Our society, largely, does not allow this. Instead, safety fears, need for cars, etc, keep teens at home. So what else is a teen to do to interact socially wit…
People are using smartphones as a replacement for face-to-face interaction. That's not just symptomatic.
Yes. I teach at a college. Every day I see scenes like a couple walking across campus, obviously walking together, but each on their phone instead of talking to each other.
Re: With teen mental health deteriorating over five years, there’s a likely culprit
#89Study: Increases in Depressive Symptoms, Suicide-Related Outcomes, and Suicide Rates Among U.S. Adolescents After 2010 and Links to Increased New Media Screen Time Citation: Jean M. Twenge, Thomas E. Joiner, Megan L. Rogers, Gabrielle N. Martin. Clinical Psychological Science Vol 6, Issue 1, pp. 3 - 17. November 14, 2017. Link: https://doi.org/10.1177/2167702617723376 DOI: 10.1177/2167702617723376 Abstract: In two na…
correlation does not imply causation
That's god for someone saying that! All those researchers have never heard of the notion, with their measly PhDs and all.
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#90Earlier quoted context omitted.
I've got a plausible (to me) hypothesis of my own - namely, that the "kids these days are getting worse and worse" is something people have been thoughtlessly regurgitating for as long as we have historical written records, and that new customs or technologies are easiest to blame. Today it's Facebook, previously it was TV, earlier still it was walkmans and metal bands. Hell, if I'm to believe random quotes from the…
I think there is actually a bigger danger with people summarily dismissing negative consequences of technology, and then just saying "it's no big deal" because it's been going on a long time. Look at TV. Of course TV has many positives, but it's also another factor in people (at least Americans) becoming much more sedentary over the past 6-7 decades, which has been a large factor in the US obesity epidemic. It's a mi…
Not trying to dismiss all negatives; just biased against this particular flavour (kids getting sad or unruly is surely because of the things they enjoy, as opposed to e.g. broken economy visible every day through their parents). So I'm not dismissing e.g. sedentary lifestyle issues.
> The fact that we're becoming a society that constantly compares ourselves to the idealized versions of other people shouldn't allow us to dismiss the obvious negatives of those comparisons
I think social media is actually a step up here - the time spent comparing ourselves to idealized versions of our friends is the time not spent comparing ourselves to the apparent presence of all those celebrities and rich people, which was a constant of the previous century. Mass media broke the availability heuristic; the generic dysrationalia it caused in people is clearly visible. Which would be a kind of tech negative I'm not denying.