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With teen mental health deteriorating over five years, there’s a likely culprit

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Re: With teen mental health deteriorating over five years, there’s a likely culprit

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Thank god for our daily "social media" is evil propaganda. I hope one day someone looks into who is pushing this and why. It would be very interesting. At this point, all the outrage and propaganda really comes off as manufactured and fake.

Maybe it's a generational thing. When I was a child, it was south park, simpsons and gangsta rap that was ruining kids mental health. And video games were responsible for school shootings and all of life's ills.

For my parents generation, it was TV, rock and roll and marijuana.

Something always has to be wrong in order for the media to sell advertising to us I guess.

If anything is leading to our collective mental health deterioration, it's the constant media barrage on tv, newspapers and social media telling us that we are depressed. But fear is what sells.

Re: With teen mental health deteriorating over five years, there’s a likely culprit

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Too quick to blame, "the screen". Is it really just the existence of social media that caused this, or is it maybe a change of culture that emerged with the spread of the Internet and social media?

For example, today a child from a religious community might encounter atheism at 12 or 13 whereas previously they would encounter it when they went off to college. Maybe that child happens to be suffering from depression and their faith would have provided them with the hope that they needed to persevere, but having discovered atheism at such a tender age, they are left hopeless and desolate. Not mature enough to deal with their problems on their own and with no reason to believe that things will get any better.

I am not saying that the rise of atheism is a factor. It is just one example I came up with, on the spot, to explain how the change of culture due to the Internet might be the actual cause powering this trend, rather than the usage of the social media itself.

Re: With teen mental health deteriorating over five years, there’s a likely culprit

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Not as much as LinkedIn. LinkedIn is a fairytale-land for adults, and it's bizzare (to me) that anyone wants to participate. It's not even humblebragging anymore. It's "Look what I made, and what I achieved" packed into casual "Oh this thing? Yeah it's just my perfect life"-packages...

Really? I found it a great resource to reach out and break into the tech sector. It only becomes a dick measuring contest when you've no clear goal on the platform.

How do you do that? I get bombarded with recruiters who don’t read my profile.

“I’m moving to Berlin because of Brexit and looking for iOS roles” -> “Would you like this job in London as a python developer?”

(Given I’m now back in the UK helping family look after a parent with Alzheimer’s while she can still recognise me, I should probably update my profile...)

Re: With teen mental health deteriorating over five years, there’s a likely culprit

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They did a study using Facebook. But I'm more curious about Instagram. "Look at all these rich beautiful people with millions of followers sailing around the world on their yachts." Ten minutes on Instagram is enough to fill any sane person with existential dread and bring about severe depression.

>"Look at all these rich beautiful people with millions of followers sailing around the world on their yachts."

How is this any different than society at large? How is this any different from TV and newspapers?

> Ten minutes on Instagram is enough to fill any sane person with existential dread and bring about severe depression.

Ten minutes on HN is enough considering all the fear mongering being pushed here.

And most people who use instagram are not severely depressed. Go figure. Wonder why that is"?

Re: With teen mental health deteriorating over five years, there’s a likely culprit

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Thank god for our daily "social media" is evil propaganda. I hope one day someone looks into who is pushing this and why. It would be very interesting. At this point, all the outrage and propaganda really comes off as manufactured and fake. Maybe it's a generational thing. When I was a child, it was south park, simpsons and gangsta rap that was ruining kids mental health. And video games were responsible for school s…

it's attention-seekers scaring crotchety, envious, gullible, olds just like it always, always, has been.

Re: With teen mental health deteriorating over five years, there’s a likely culprit

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No, but its a pretty good clue.

huh? It could very well be that teens who are depressed (because of unrelated causes) prefer to spend time on social media, not hanging out with friends...

Or you could spend a few seconds reading the article, and find out that they addressed this obvious criticism.

Re: With teen mental health deteriorating over five years, there’s a likely culprit

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Tuesday, this was the theme at my toastmaster's debate club[1] - I got stuck arguing that social media doesn't make you depressed.

And... my problem with my argument wasn't that it was untrue, but that it was kinda mean. I don't feel jealous of the lives of almost anyone I went to high school with; quite the opposite. A lot of them post "racist memes with spelling mistakes" - which is sad on many levels; If nothing else, it is a certain indicator that they are not living their best lives... but I have a hard time imagining a world where I could be jealous of someone like that.

For that matter, most of the positive social media content I see is baby pictures. I'm one of those people who is glad other people have children; I admire parents, yes, but I certainly wouldn't want to be one myself.

I suppose I just don't get it. Do other people carefully curate their social media lists so that they are only following the super-rich, super-successful and super-articulate? because my experience with social media is that I see people closer to 'average' when I log in to facebook, whereas in real life, I live in a world where most people I spend time interacting with are smarter and wealthier and more successful than I am on several other axes.

[1]The silicon valley "Agile Articulators" toastmasters debate club - we meet at the Hacker Dojo in Santa Clara. https://www.meetup.com/Agile-Articulators-Toastmasters-Club

Re: With teen mental health deteriorating over five years, there’s a likely culprit

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Except from 2010 - 2015 many teens did feel a crushing sense of economic dread as they dealt with the realities of student loans, an out of reach housing market, devalued college degrees, the gig economy, promises of no retirement, etc. The article just skims over it with a quick this is why economics couldn’t have been the reason.

> the realities of student loans, an out of reach housing market, devalued college degrees, the gig economy, promises of no retirement, etc. Have you ever met a teenager? Almost literally zero percent of them think (or need to think) about this stuff, with the possible exception of some of the very oldest teenagers (ie, people in their first or second year of college who are starting to think about the details of the…

> Have you ever met a teenager?

Yes. And we've all been teenagers.

>Almost literally zero percent of them think (or need to think) about this stuff, with the possible exception of some of the very oldest teenagers (ie, people in their first or second year of college who are starting to think about the details of the start of their careers).

What? EVERY teenager thinks about it. Not only that, their parents financial situations and the prospects of the future most definitely influences their outlook.

What teenager doesn't talk about or think of their future? The entirety of high school is pretty much about preparing for college, finding a job, etc.

Re: With teen mental health deteriorating over five years, there’s a likely culprit

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Authors of studies like this are well aware of this. I haven't read this paper, but these papers often go to great pains to explain how they controlled or screened-out other causes.

I think it's fair to be off-hand sceptical without digging into the details of the paper. Since we don't really understand depression, it seems fairly obvious that it would be nigh on impossible to control for causes we don't know.

No, it is never fair to react to a peer reviewed scientific study with off hand skepticism.

Re: With teen mental health deteriorating over five years, there’s a likely culprit

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Screen time is a symptom, not a cause. One of the vital drives of adolescents are to gain independence from their parents and figure out their own place in life. To do this, teens need to interact with peers, hang out, make mistakes, and generally be sociable.

Our society, largely, does not allow this. Instead, safety fears, need for cars, etc, keep teens at home. So what else is a teen to do to interact socially with their peers? Online is the least-bad remaining outlet for this desire - if they can't hang out in a parking lot or whatever, at least they can take selfies on instagram or whatever.

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