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How would Mozilla have the data? Do they embed analytics into all their products now?
Just one datum, but...download counts?
And call to update servers?
Mozilla Is Hiring a Developer to Work on Thunderbird Full-Time
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Re: Mozilla Is Hiring a Developer to Work on Thunderbird Full-Time
#182Earlier quoted context omitted.
> That's a reference to their [Nylos]* attempt to donate their code and energy towards improving Thunderbird. (*My edit in brackets) You meant towards improving Nylas Mail, not Thunderbird? If not, I don't get any sense in this argument, it sounds like Nylas was reaching out Mozilla to replace Thunderbird with their re-licensed Nylas Mail. I'm not sure that ever happened (and I'm not sure GPL is a totally suitable li…
> My edit in brackets) You meant towards improving Nylas Mail, not Thunderbird? No. What I wrote is what I meant. > it sounds like Nylas was reaching out Mozilla to replace Thunderbird with their re-licensed Nylas Mail Yes. (But not "replace", necessarily. Replace parts . Merge. Improve.) > I'm not sure that ever happened Uh, okay? If you hadn't heard that before, that's... fine. But, I mean, now you have. And I don'…
> Nylas relicensed their code to one that is compatible (MIT)
I was sure it's GPL, I missed that point.
> Uh, okay? If you hadn't heard that before, that's... fine.
> But, I mean, now you have. And I don't know what else to say.
> This conversation has been excruciating.
LOL, too much drama for the product below the radar. I can't even google anything about this proposal.
Re: Mozilla Is Hiring a Developer to Work on Thunderbird Full-Time
#183I have to say I think Mozilla is a complete shambles of an organisation. It must be one of the richest charities in the world with the billions of dollars of commission it earns from search from Google et al. I can't actually believe this is something they're excited to post a blog about. Charity with 9 figures revenue is hiring a developer (finally) to work on a product which has 25 million users. I think Mozilla's…
You must be fun at parties.
Personal attacks will get you banned here, regardless of how wrong or un-fun someone else is. Please post civilly and substantively, or not at all.
Re: Mozilla Is Hiring a Developer to Work on Thunderbird Full-Time
#184I have to say I think Mozilla is a complete shambles of an organisation. It must be one of the richest charities in the world with the billions of dollars of commission it earns from search from Google et al. I can't actually believe this is something they're excited to post a blog about. Charity with 9 figures revenue is hiring a developer (finally) to work on a product which has 25 million users. I think Mozilla's…
I too believe they are neglecting a significant user base. Thunderbird could be a rock star product for Mozilla with many times more users (if not revenue.) It is very useful now, but the potential is immense. So why is it being neglected? There is some history here; way back when Netscape was a kitchen sink, factoring the mail client out of the browser was an important and successful decision. The mail part, Thunder…
Or was it Jamie who sank the ship?
Re: Mozilla Is Hiring a Developer to Work on Thunderbird Full-Time
#185I switched to Kmail around the time Mozilla said they stopped actively developing Thunderbird. Is it a change in their attitude?
Does Kmail have full support for sending html email yet? I stopped using it when the dev response to requests to add it was "email should be text only". Genuine question, I try to audition a new client each year, this year perhaps I'll give Kmail another go?
Kmail sends HTML just fine.
Re: Mozilla Is Hiring a Developer to Work on Thunderbird Full-Time
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Nooooooooooooooooooooooooo! XUL is really cool. Still one of my favorite GUI kits. It is like electron (but actually native!) and had a good reason to be slow (spidermonkey wasn't super fast) :( XPCOM kinda sucked but it is still better than MS COM
How was XPCOM better than MS COM? Feature set? Nope. Tooling? Nope. Language support? Nope. Ecosystem? Nope. OLE components? Nope. Distributed COM? Nope. Doesn't trigger knee-jerk anti-Microsoft reactionaries even though it's a shallow clone of Microsoft technology? Check. Did you know that "decomification" was a word? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=194385
XPCOM was better mainly because it was Mozilla docs instead of Microsoft. I was doing MS COM in a previous job and I swear MSDN is written in sanskrit
Re: Mozilla Is Hiring a Developer to Work on Thunderbird Full-Time
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Your comment is incredibly mean. Mozilla isn't competing with other "charities", they are competing with Google, Apple and Microsoft, the world's largest corporations. The Mozilla Foundation might be a not-for-profit corporation, but they have the same constraints as normal businesses ... they have to secure reliable sources of funding, they have to preserve their resources, they have to be smart about investments, t…
Perhaps that's the problem. Why are they "competing". Surely the facts of being a charitable organisation should make their focus working for the charitable aims rather than competing with anyone. >The current Thunderbird is terrible. // What cross-platform desktop clients are better [I note MailMate is Mac only]. I use a mix of webmail (Outlook, Horde on private server), and Thunderbird (connecting to IMAP accounts)…
> Why are they "competing"
You should probably read a book on how our economy works.
Re: Mozilla Is Hiring a Developer to Work on Thunderbird Full-Time
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You need to enable a plugin for html mail, but the plugin ships with claws. Up until 2013 the best option was a janky GtkHtml based plugin (about as good as average html e-mail renderings from early 00s, so not good), the current one is webkit based and works great[1] What do you mean by "default mail https://www.colino.net/wordpress/archives/2013/03/14/claws-m... being non-standard"? you don't need a script to order…
Excellent, thanks for such a detailed response.
Actually every e-mail client I've used has had its issues, including commercial ones. TB isn't great for composing fancy formatted e-mails; I haven't figured out how to bottom-post such e-mails at all.
Outlook seems to change lots of little things I don't care about every release, making it harder to use, since I can't gain familiarity well. Furthermore I hate corresponding with people who use it, since it puts a lot of effort into breaking threading.
Thunderbird is just not a reliable store of data; perhaps it's fine for people who IMAP and store data on the server, but it's not for me.
Which leads me into trojita; this is actually a fairly nice imap client, but I tend to keep my e-mail local, so I haven't used it much as my daily driver.
mutt is terminal-only which rules it out for a lot of people (note that terminal only doesn't rule out reading html e-mail, it just rules out reading html e-mail in a manner that looks any better than lynx/links2).
All of the notmuch frontends I've tried are kind of "the 10% of gmail that's easy to implement" and then abandoned. Bower has been both the most performant and the most stable, but it, like mutt, is terminal only, and is relatively feature-poor. I'd hack on it, but it's written in a statically-typed dialect of prolog that will probably take me weeks to learn.
Note that I actually use a modified form of notmuch-web for handling mailing-lists; threads come in tagged as unanswered, so people can easily see what needs to be responded to.
Re: Mozilla Is Hiring a Developer to Work on Thunderbird Full-Time
#189I have to say I think Mozilla is a complete shambles of an organisation. It must be one of the richest charities in the world with the billions of dollars of commission it earns from search from Google et al. I can't actually believe this is something they're excited to post a blog about. Charity with 9 figures revenue is hiring a developer (finally) to work on a product which has 25 million users. I think Mozilla's…
> with the billions of dollars of commission it earns from search from Google That's the Mozilla Corporation. That's not a charity. It also explicitly does not work on Thunderbird. The charity is the Mozilla Foundation. It has a lot less money than that. The developer position in question is being effectively paid by the Thunderbird Council (but officially hired by the Mozilla Foundation, which has the infrastructure…
Perception is reality, and a list of technical reasons why Mozilla won’t modestly support TB fails to impress.
Re: Mozilla Is Hiring a Developer to Work on Thunderbird Full-Time
#190I have to say I think Mozilla is a complete shambles of an organisation. It must be one of the richest charities in the world with the billions of dollars of commission it earns from search from Google et al. I can't actually believe this is something they're excited to post a blog about. Charity with 9 figures revenue is hiring a developer (finally) to work on a product which has 25 million users. I think Mozilla's…
I too believe they are neglecting a significant user base. Thunderbird could be a rock star product for Mozilla with many times more users (if not revenue.) It is very useful now, but the potential is immense. So why is it being neglected? There is some history here; way back when Netscape was a kitchen sink, factoring the mail client out of the browser was an important and successful decision. The mail part, Thunder…
> However, I think the ongoing indifference is because there isn't a workable business model. Firefox is an advertising platform from which Mozilla earns hundreds of millions. It isn't clear how Thunderbird is supposed to earn.
Wow, I’d wondered about that for years as well. I think you hit the nail on the head.
Mozilla likes to paint itself as a charity but it won’t even allocate .1% revenue to a non-profit project that it created and millions rely on.