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Surviving 75 hours alone in the ocean

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Re: Surviving 75 hours alone in the ocean

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That man must be an interesting sample for the research of human physiology.

And they did study him! Article about it in New Scientist: https://books.google.com/books?id=rYIJJP7audkC&lpg=PA26&dq=g... Here's the study "Exceptional case of survival in cold water": http://www.bmj.com/content/bmj/292/6514/171.2.full.pdf They immersed him in 5.3C water for 83 minutes, and only stopped the experiment because of discomfort in his feet. His temperature only dropped by about 1C.

Yes, that was remarkable. That paper says he was a large man with some body fat, but from what I recall (an Icelandic colleague once referred to this), the fat type in his body differed from that usually found in people. Children have "brown fat" which usually changes to "white fat" in adults, but this man had a far higher than normal composition of "brown fat" for an adult.

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The most important aspect of this is he was wearing a 5mil wetsuit. All of the rest of the things they mentioned are much smaller factors in him staying warm. The wetsuit also makes him slightly more buoyant. I kayak in the winter and have a dry suit, and a 5mil wetsuit when the water gets a bit warmer. In the winter my survival time would be minutes unprotected. The most dangerous time of year is May and June as unp…

> 95 degrees this sounds dangerous. Just curious, why were you in 60deg water for two hours?

When the sun is shining on you btw you get additional heat you don't get when diving underwater

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So, a guy with tons of experience goes for open water dive without a diving marker or diving alert device, decide to leave his dive-buddy and return to the beach by himself. Some other articles says he was a navy veteran. That would probably explain his overconfidence, as those are things that recreational and tec divers are explicitly trained not to do. Lots of diving accidents reports starts with someone being over…

I'm curious how a dive buddy would have helped. Wouldn't that just have meant two people were in trouble, instead of one?

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> Lots of diving accidents reports starts with someone being overconfident (ignoring the recommended safety limits or his personal limits), ignoring safety-checks and/or losing his diving buddy. I am not a diver but I have come close to losing my life three times in the backcountry. Each time I remember my overwhelming thought was "I have been an idiot". And, as you noted, each time: I was alone (or with my dog but n…

Would you be interested in detailing the times in which the dog saved you? Sounds fascinating (and lucky)!

Actually not so much fascinating but rather mundane. Both were in the snow.

The first time I went for a hike without checking the weather. I had a topo and compass but not a GPS (which I almost never carry anyway) and, as it was a day hike, no stove or any overnight supplies beyond a bottle of water. In the summer that's not really a problem (you can almost always survive overnight in summer without a problem even with no preparation, food or equipment, especially if it's not raining) but stupid and dangerous in the winter at altitude. I was wearing relatively lightweight "travel" gear because I expected to be sweating, not sitting still. In any case it began to snow heavily and I could not see any landmarks, much less my map. I tried dead reckoning to the trailhead but eventually came across my own snowshoe tracks as it began to become dark. Very scary. I was also frightened of stumbling into a lake or off a cliff, both which were relatively nearby. At some point the dog became fed up with my antics and just walked away, which he normally never does. Lacking any better plan I followed him and he walked pretty directly to the trailhead which turned out not to be that far away.

The second was much more serious: again, I got a late start because of work and got into the wilderness around dark, not having checked the weather. I skied a bit but it's dangerous to travel at night, especially in the snow. I do have a special lightweight and compact rig I developed for sleeping below zero, but it requires some time and attention to set up. So I put up a tent (least I had brought one!) for me and the dog because I wanted out of the weather and was too tired to try to make a robust shelter, especially in the dark. Unfortunately the spot I chose was exposed and the winds were quite strong, pulling branches down and threatening to pull the tent (I had only anchored it to the snow). In the dark I had to get up, find a tree well, and dig a hole. I put my skis and my pack over the hole, dug a chair, and then spent a sleepless night with my dog. I opened his jacket and my jacket, sat on the dog pad and my sleeping pad, and wrapped my sleeping blanket around us with the dog blanket over the top. I put the dog's jacket under him. He sat up/stood up all night and kept me warm (most of the time I was hugging him). I was afraid to fall asleep and potentially freeze to death because the covering required continuous adjustment. When we dug out in the morning up my tent was gone (I eventually found it) and there were branches that had fallen where it had been, though who knows if they really would have been dangerous? At least it hadn't snowed much, though it was pretty cold.

(One of my students managed to dig a shelter using only his skis when he was caught downhill after skiing out of bounds, but he did the digging before the sun went down, and was rescued in the morning. His ski gear was adequate for overnight in those conditions).

The common thread here is that I was dumb, dumb, dumb and deserved to suffer. I prepare better when writing code than I did on these two trips: I was overconfident that my skills and experience would get me through.

BTW my dog weighed almost 150 lbs (not much less than I do) with legs as long as mine. He had (he's since passed away) well over a thousand trail miles and was trained to stick with me regardless of distractions, which is why it was so shocking when he walked away. He only did that one other time, when a group of us were cutting a trail -- I assume he was bored and went back to camp in the hope of finding forgotten food. Oh yeah, he would also do it sometimes in the office if he thought someone might be eating a sandwich :-).

Re: Surviving 75 hours alone in the ocean

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Any tech to bring with you to desalinate water on solar power ?

Are there high insulation full body suits (double layer) ? Some people use array of thermoelectric generators on their skin to produce drops of electricity. Granted a large body coverage, helped by the temperature difference, the heatsink effect of water would make the generation a bit less inefficient.

Also what's worse keeping the HELP position with body submerged or doing a plank with half the body in air ? I wonder if wet skin + air lowers your temp faster.. albeit you have a bit of sunlight.

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How did he combat hypothermia?

Swimming continuously. It's one thing to sit neutrally bouyant in a Scuba suit, or in a flotation device, with nothing but shivering to keep warm. Asleep, you can get hypothermia in water that is nearly at body temperature. However, endurance athletes (like this 2.5-day-swimmer apparently decided he was) can keep warm by exertion. Competitive swimmers will keep warm, and actually sweat a great deal, in a very cold po…

heat production by effort is large, probably way more efficient than shivering so your chances are probably better if you can reach a destination by swimming.
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