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The U.S. Can No Longer Hide from Its Deep Poverty Problem

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Re: The U.S. Can No Longer Hide from Its Deep Poverty Problem

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This video from Anaheim (California) is reminiscent of travelling around Dehli (from 39' in - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KF7hWzqdPDk ). The level/amount of poverty in this video is shocking.

Ten years ago I made a feature-length documentary about the homeless in Santa Monica:

http://graceofgodmovie.com

Santa Monica seems to have successfully exported their problem to neighboring cities since then. In general, things seem to be substantially worse now.

Re: The U.S. Can No Longer Hide from Its Deep Poverty Problem

#43

This video from Anaheim (California) is reminiscent of travelling around Dehli (from 39' in - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KF7hWzqdPDk ). The level/amount of poverty in this video is shocking.

Probably worse in CA, but this exists on some level in every state. Here in NJ we have the same exact thing, just not along a bike path.

To wahsd (dead comment): I get your point, but you should ask if the people are poor because they vote Democrat, or they vote Democrat because they're poor (and see themselves better represented by the Democrat platform)?

Maybe not even/just poor, but excluded from local economy/politics due to race, gender, ethnicity, not being a member of the old boys' club, etc.

Re: The U.S. Can No Longer Hide from Its Deep Poverty Problem

#44

This is the other side of globalization. Globalization is super nice when you're secure in your job, "hey everything is getting cheaper!" but when your job is the one in the crosshairs what you're feeling is a pressure that is pushing the living standard of the third world and yours together. That's why I find it so annoying that this board is usually against abundant H1B's but for factory outsourcing. It's completel…

> That's why I find it so annoying that this board is usually against abundant H1B's but for factory outsourcing. It's completely hypocritical.

This forum is not composed of US users only. For example I live in one of those countries who benefited from opening up to foreign trade (I live in Eastern Europe) so it would be pretty hypocritical of me to complain about open markets.

Re: The U.S. Can No Longer Hide from Its Deep Poverty Problem

#45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Eventually one side will have to win out and then things will get very interesting. Well things are pretty violent already, with the deadly class war the police is fighting against the population (~1k in 2017, https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/police-shoo... ) plus the countless arrests, macing, tasering and other violent actions of police against peaceful demonstrators, plus all the violence committ…

Police fighting a class war? The vast majority of those 1000 deaths are unambiguously from the justified use of force, in self-defense and the defense of others. Believe it or not, there’s a lot of violent and bad people out there.

>>The vast majority of those 1000 deaths are unambiguously from the justified use of force

There's two problems with this.

1) if you define "justified use of force" like Americans do, then yeah, of course it's justified, a guy pulling up his pants while being dragged on the ground is now "reaching for a weapon" so an officer is fully justified to shoot him dead. He was practically asking for it, and it shows up as such in all official statistics.

2) It doesn't explain how is it that other countries can get through the entire year without police murdering a single person, despite having the same or worse crime rates as US.

Re: The U.S. Can No Longer Hide from Its Deep Poverty Problem

#46

This is the other side of globalization. Globalization is super nice when you're secure in your job, "hey everything is getting cheaper!" but when your job is the one in the crosshairs what you're feeling is a pressure that is pushing the living standard of the third world and yours together. That's why I find it so annoying that this board is usually against abundant H1B's but for factory outsourcing. It's completel…

I am for immigration, it's just the pseudo indentured servitude that is H1B that I have a problem with.

As to factory outsourcing, I think it's overall a net gain for humanity. Long term there is a finite number of countries and barring societal collapse eventually they will all end up 'developed'. It simply exposes other problems in the US like our horrible social safety net and endemic corruption. So, a small ~2-5% import tax is probably a net gain for US society.

Re: The U.S. Can No Longer Hide from Its Deep Poverty Problem

#47

I don’t understand how this is possible. We have a lot of programs to help people - food assistance, housing and health care assistance, disability... Are these benefits being counted when we say they live on $4/day?

These benefits are inaccessible without a long trip through some really Byzantine application processes where nobody is actually incentivized to help you. These processes ostensibly exist to block freeloaders but they also serve to prevent the needy from accessing the resource too.

It also exists to give indolent, illiterate, innumerate people 'do-good' jobs to get entrenched in, and suck up all the resources, with no accountability.

It's one of the things that has befallen SF, where an industry funded by the city to the tune of a quarter of a billion dollars a year, fails to keep a few thousand people off the street.

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2016/06/27/despite-241-mill...

http://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/City-audit-finds-...

http://www.sfchronicle.com/aboutsfgate/article/Despite-money...

Re: The U.S. Can No Longer Hide from Its Deep Poverty Problem

#48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Police fighting a class war? The vast majority of those 1000 deaths are unambiguously from the justified use of force, in self-defense and the defense of others. Believe it or not, there’s a lot of violent and bad people out there.

>>The vast majority of those 1000 deaths are unambiguously from the justified use of force There's two problems with this. 1) if you define "justified use of force" like Americans do, then yeah, of course it's justified, a guy pulling up his pants while being dragged on the ground is now "reaching for a weapon" so an officer is fully justified to shoot him dead. He was practically asking for it, and it shows up as su…

A significant difference is, that American police are arresting Americans. They are likely armed, while in other countries that may not be the case.

Re: The U.S. Can No Longer Hide from Its Deep Poverty Problem

#50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> being poor is not a good/bad thing This is a silly line of reasoning. As more people grow wealthy, we find more ways to systematically mistreat those who have not. It's not just that the poor started poor and stayed that way, it's that the rest of us find ways to make things even harder for them as our comparative wealth grows. Being poor is most definitely a bad thing.

The fact remains that everyone starts with nothing. The parent questions why some are able to flourish, while others continue with nothing indefinitely.

Unless you are asserting that estate taxes are 100% for everyone and no one is allowed any hint of nepotism or gifting, you are wrong. How do the 1% stay the 1% across generations?
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