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Re: Building a Lightroom PC

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Post by arca_vorago »

digi_owl wrote: post #197
arca_vorago wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>It’s basically non-stories because your OS matters as little as what programming language you use. >Pick the one that works for you, but don’t become a fucking missionary or tie your personality to your brand of choice. I do what I want and you can't tell me what to do! I think RMS was and is right and computing should not be viewed through a purely pragmatic lense, and I'm going to keep mentioning the importance of…

The RMS message is different though. It is not about any specific OS or platform, it is about making sure the owner/admin is the final arbiter of what can or can't be done on that computer (now and into the infinite future).

>it is about making sure the owner/admin is the final arbiter of what can or can't be done on that computer

Which you can't do with Windows, and only to a certain degree with osx.

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Post by digi_owl »

JepZ wrote: post #214
digi_owl wrote: post #200

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Passively cooling 65W TDP?

Apparently ;-) Actually, I bought the CPU, mainboard and cooler assembled together from mifcom, so they did the testing that everything runs stable and smooth. Just looked up some other details: - Mainboard: ASUS Z87-Deluxe - Case: Xigmatek - Asgard Pro - PSU: 500W - FSP Aurum Xilenser - CPU Cooler: Thermalright Macho HR-02 passive [1] As you can see that cooler is pretty big. The case isn't too fancy but it does the…

Now that is a brick of a cooler.

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Post by cr0sh »

owenwil wrote: post #84
striking wrote: post #2

N.B.: the "switch to Windows" is from macOS and not from Linux, just in case anyone was wondering. I think it's very interesting that the availability of Linux on Windows helped the author choose Windows.

As someone who made the same jump, Windows wasn't really a viable platform for non-dotNet developers until that happened. The state of Linux on the desktop is, frankly, a disaster — I spent months on trying to make it work, but wow, it's not worth the time.

I must be doing something wrong. I've been using Linux for my primary desktop since 1995 (started with TurboLinux 2.0, then jumped to RH v5.2).

Was it a cakewalk over the year? No. Even today there are times where I'm in WTF mode about something or another (my favorite is when I do an update to the NVidia drivers and it borks my system hard enough I have to restore my X config in some manner or another at the command line because I have custom crap in it).

But I don't regret anything about my 2+ decade decision to ditch Windows.

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Post by hungerstrike »

mikewhy wrote: post #220
hungerstrike wrote: post #216

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I didn't downvote you, but there are dozens of utilities to do this. Here's one way to do it with AutoHotKey - https://autohotkey.com/board/topic/23879-always-on-top-clock...

Sucks that the best approximation is an always-on-top clock. It's in the taskbar, they have functionality to show / hide the taskbar, they should combine the two.

Not really because I can make it look like whatever I want. And I can place it wherever I want because Windows is flexible like that.

Meanwhile Apple doesn’t even let you change the color of your mouse pointer. You couldn’t even replace the dock if you wanted to because Apple hides the API that lets a replacement change the usable display size. They don’t even let you soft-disable an external display! LMAO

Windows is so much better. I can run Windows on any hardware that I want to and I can make it do exactly whatever I want it to. And it’s got way more software. And better software.

Re: Building a Lightroom PC

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Post by tracker1 »

walshemj wrote: post #213
tracker1 wrote: post #208

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It's not a VM, it's like the inverse of WINE... it's a compatibility layer... and that one piece (not being able to edit files in the LSW from windows/gui) is what keeps me off of it.

Oh why not use windows pro and hyper-v then and run a Linux vm then that's assuming you don't run a small whitebox server to do your dev on?

I do.. and samba to use a GUI editor against files in the VM. That said, there's the overhead of a full VM... some of the same reasons one would use WINE instead of a full Windows VM.

Re: Building a Lightroom PC

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Post by sjellis »

josephg wrote: post #132
cageface wrote: post #90

I'm leaning in the same direction myself. My 2017 MBP Pro has been a disappointment. The touch bar is a nuisance. The excessively large trackpad leads to a lot of phantom taps, and I'm still using adapters to plug things into it. Since I'm wrapping up the last of my iOS client work there's nothing really tying me to macOS any more and a PC seems to provide way more bang for the buck for the things I care about - Andr…

2016 MBP with touchbar reporting in. I have the 13” model without a dedicated graphics card, and I made the mistake of getting an external 4K display. The laptop can use the display, but everything is remarkably sluggish for a computer I paid $3000aud for. Especially safari with a few tabs open. The most embarrassing part is that I sort of got used to it and stopped noticing, until I spent time on my Windows gaming p…

"Linux on a laptop still seems like an endless stupid time hole - I had the Ubuntu installer reliably kernel panic on me the other day."

Reading comments like this, I can't help but feeling that somebody is missing a trick here: I don't doubt your experience, and I've seen similar comments, but they don't match my experience at all, which is that Linux works with no tinkering. It would be really interesting to collect experience reports from folks like you, to see why there is such a divergence, and figure out what could be done about it. Back in the day, the worst cause of Windows crashes was basically a single problem: the quality of ATI drivers were bad, and once that was clear, it got fixed.

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Post by cooper12 »

virtualritz wrote: post #131

I use both Lightroom and Darktable regularly. While DT has a bit more bumpy UX, it makes up for that by being more flexible than LR and really fast on Linux with a good GPU with OpenCL support. And there is nothing that LR can do that DT can't. I.e. you don't need to shell out 6k for new box to make LR run fast. Just bite the bullet and learn another RAW editing app. If you have thousands (or ten thousands, in my cas…

Yeah it was really weird to read of all the in-depth research done and extra mile the author went to in order to get an optimal build for Lightroom, only for the benchmarks to have been slower than a Macbook Pro in some areas and in some areas shaving only 2 mins off of 15 mins. That's just ridiculous.

I shoot with a D3100, whose 14MP is a third of the author's 42MP, but with Darktable, editing RAWs on a Mid-2012 Macbook Pro has been a breeze.

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Post by izacus »

guitarbill wrote: post #150
cageface wrote: post #90

I'm leaning in the same direction myself. My 2017 MBP Pro has been a disappointment. The touch bar is a nuisance. The excessively large trackpad leads to a lot of phantom taps, and I'm still using adapters to plug things into it. Since I'm wrapping up the last of my iOS client work there's nothing really tying me to macOS any more and a PC seems to provide way more bang for the buck for the things I care about - Andr…

> The touch bar is a nuisance. The excessively large trackpad leads to a lot of phantom taps, and I'm still using adapters to plug things into it. Agree on the touch bar. Got myself a USB-C "dock", which does power delivery, USB, and display all in one connector. Truly magic, and made me resent USB-C a lot less.

Those are nice, but I haven't found one that would:

1. Pass through enough power to sufficiently charge my 15" MBP (not an issue on 13" I think)

2. Have 4k/60Hz DisplayPort port

3. Not get extremely hot when plugged in (I had three, including the official Apple dongle and they all had this issue O.o )

Re: Building a Lightroom PC

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Post by maxx »

PStamatiou wrote: post #184
maxx wrote: post #179

There are lot and lot of advices in this article you SHOULD PRECISELY NOT FOLLOW when you build an editing PC. > Watercooling Watercooling addicts will try to argue that you can achieve a better cooling performance than with aircooling. The truth is that watercooling is at best only 1 or 2 degrees cooler than a proper aircooling system, or even worse in some tests. Then they will argue that watercooling provide a bet…

I think you are misinformed about the current state of watercooling (even AIO). I'm running a very hot overclocked machine running extra voltage than normal. A 280mm radiator is an improvement over even the largest copper hsf. As for the gaming card - it's not top of the line (that would be Titan Xp and Titan V) - but yes it's very high-end. So why did I opt for that? Why not? I do a ton of 4K gaming and VR as well.…

> I think you are misinformed about the current state of watercooling (even AIO). I'm running a very hot overclocked machine running extra voltage than normal. A 280mm radiator is an improvement over even the largest copper hsf.

I'm not saying it's not an improvement, I'm saying the improvement is marginal, meaning it's not worth it.

> I do a ton of 4K gaming and VR as well. Definitely not the primary goal but a nice side benefit. I mention some of the games I play in the setup section.

I think that's my point, it's more a gaming/overclocking station than an editing workstation. The article is fine and well written from this perspective.

Oh, and a small bonus for you: you should move your cpu watercooling radiator from front to top. In your configuration your radiator is basically heating your whole computer, including you graphic card. Since the graphic card is warmer and usually louder, this is not what you want.

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Post by SubiculumCode »

ElEmEnOhP wrote: post #215
SubiculumCode wrote: post #74

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For $6000 he could have got something like: CPU: 2 x Intel Xeon E5-2637v4, 3.5GHz (4-Core, dual threaded, HT, 15MB Cache, 135W) 14nm RAM: 128GB (8 x 16GB DDR4-2400 ECC Registered 2R 1.2V DIMMs) Graphics: NVIDIA Quadro P4000 GPU, 8GB GDDR5, 105W, Single-Width, PCIe 3.0 x16, Seagate 1TB Exos 7E2 HDD (6 Gb/s, 7.2K RPM, 128MB Cache, 512n) 3.5-in SATA just a quick build i did over at Silicon Mechanics

They included a $1499 monitor in the list as well, along with a $400 VESA arm mount, and hundreds of more dollars in accessories. Overall, with your Silicon Mechanics build they'd probably be closer to a $8000 build. On top of that, a P4000 is pretty much a beefed up GTX1060, which gets smoked by a GTX1080TI if one is going for GPU performance. They're not really comparable builds.

I missed the monitors. Fair point.
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