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Craft Beer Is the Strangest, Happiest Economic Story in America

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Re: Craft Beer Is the Strangest, Happiest Economic Story in America

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I wonder if marijuana will also be able to avoid being crushed and consolidated by monopolies. I don't think the cigarette industry was able to avoid it but I am not well versed on tobacco industry regulations. My gut tells me that since at the end of the day marijuana is an agricultural commodity large players will come to dominate the market. But on the other hand there is a decent variety in strain types and flavo…

There was a recent news article on the developing market for marijuana that addressed this (was posted on HN, too lazy to search, unfortunately).

There are some state regulations restricting grow operations to remain somewhat small, and legal uncertainty has also kept the large players out of the market so far. But the trend was definitely towards consolidation, with wholesale prices dropping something around 70% from their initial levels.

One idea mentioned in the article was indeed marijuanas' character being well-suited for commoditisation, although some growers try to stem the tide by developing high-end brands. I believe they explicitly made the comparison to craft beer, where individual taste is far more different than it is for strains, which are largely defined by their content, and relative amounts, of THC and the other thing. Processing extracted THC into edibles and other largely standardised products also points in this direction.

Re: Craft Beer Is the Strangest, Happiest Economic Story in America

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> Large breweries ignored burgeoning niches, Watson said, particularly hoppy India Pale Ales, or IPAs, which constitute a large share of the craft-beer market. He's reversing cause-and-effect. IPAs are incredibly popular among microbrewers, because it is incredibly hard to brew consistently tasting batches of beer. Smothering all of a beer's other flavours, by dumping buckets after buckets of hops into it is much eas…

> It's why eight out of every ten craft beers are incredibly bitter IPAs.

I always saw this is a US West Coast phenomenon. Stone, in San Diego, sort of popularized the trend and then people started rolling with it to extremes.

I have a similar issue with barrel aging. I love Victory at Sea from Ballast Point (since bought out by Constellation Brands) and similarly dark "toxic sewage" as my friends so happily classify it. Barrel aging spread around very nicely through the craft brewers and always added a mellowness. That was true up until recently, where now I find "barrel aged" seems to be imparting a cloying sweetness (which I do NOT like) to everything.

I guess it is the fate of anything that gets popular to eventually go too far.

Re: Craft Beer Is the Strangest, Happiest Economic Story in America

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> Large breweries ignored burgeoning niches, Watson said, particularly hoppy India Pale Ales, or IPAs, which constitute a large share of the craft-beer market. He's reversing cause-and-effect. IPAs are incredibly popular among microbrewers, because it is incredibly hard to brew consistently tasting batches of beer. Smothering all of a beer's other flavours, by dumping buckets after buckets of hops into it is much eas…

That's nonsense. Craft breweries are businesses and they'll sell what makes money.

Also, IPAs are incredibly hard to brew, store, and distribute consistently. Hops are probably the most seasonal part of a mash bill, and high quality finishing hops are in heavy demand. And the hop acids are subject to spoilage by heat, light, or oxygen. If you want "smothering a beer's other flavors" then look no further than whiskey/rum/et al. barrel aging (and I'm not judging, whatever floats one's boat),

This isn't aimed necessarily at you, but some people taste things differently. Cilantro, infamously. But hops are another. Maybe you don't like hops (or maybe you haven't had very good ipas?)

Re: Craft Beer Is the Strangest, Happiest Economic Story in America

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> Large breweries ignored burgeoning niches, Watson said, particularly hoppy India Pale Ales, or IPAs, which constitute a large share of the craft-beer market. He's reversing cause-and-effect. IPAs are incredibly popular among microbrewers, because it is incredibly hard to brew consistently tasting batches of beer. Smothering all of a beer's other flavours, by dumping buckets after buckets of hops into it is much eas…

That's nonsense. Craft breweries are businesses and they'll sell what makes money. Also, IPAs are incredibly hard to brew, store, and distribute consistently. Hops are probably the most seasonal part of a mash bill, and high quality finishing hops are in heavy demand. And the hop acids are subject to spoilage by heat, light, or oxygen. If you want "smothering a beer's other flavors" then look no further than whiskey/…

or macro-brewed lagers. bud used like a dozen different hops in their flagship beer in order to reduce the effect if a particular hop is unavailable.

Re: Craft Beer Is the Strangest, Happiest Economic Story in America

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Eventually alcohol usage will be looked upon with great fascination of a custom of a barbarian age: "They used to actually drink poison for thousands of years but we have moved on." It'll take time but it'll happen.

Eventually our livers evolve (or are genetically engineered) and alcohol is just another tasty calorie source, like starch or fat.

Re: Craft Beer Is the Strangest, Happiest Economic Story in America

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> Large breweries ignored burgeoning niches, Watson said, particularly hoppy India Pale Ales, or IPAs, which constitute a large share of the craft-beer market. He's reversing cause-and-effect. IPAs are incredibly popular among microbrewers, because it is incredibly hard to brew consistently tasting batches of beer. Smothering all of a beer's other flavours, by dumping buckets after buckets of hops into it is much eas…

> It's why eight out of every ten craft beers are incredibly bitter IPAs. Is that really true anymore? If I roll by one of the local breweries, they'll have an IPA of course, but sours and saisons seem to be in a bit of renaissance right now. Hell, half the IPAs I see now are New England IPAs that barely budge the bitterness scale.

Maybe so, but sours/saisons are also much more forgiving to brew than lagers or even IPAs. Any hint of contamination in a lager is immediately noticeable. On the other hand, sour brewers have turned what would normally be flush-worthy batches into "limited releases" characterized by barnyard funk.

Re: Craft Beer Is the Strangest, Happiest Economic Story in America

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I wonder if marijuana will also be able to avoid being crushed and consolidated by monopolies. I don't think the cigarette industry was able to avoid it but I am not well versed on tobacco industry regulations. My gut tells me that since at the end of the day marijuana is an agricultural commodity large players will come to dominate the market. But on the other hand there is a decent variety in strain types and flavo…

It been very helpful that the state laws are in conflict with federal laws. The uncertainty causes some financial difficulties, but in general it has helped to protect smaller producers.

Re: Craft Beer Is the Strangest, Happiest Economic Story in America

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Eventually alcohol usage will be looked upon with great fascination of a custom of a barbarian age: "They used to actually drink poison for thousands of years but we have moved on." It'll take time but it'll happen.

Eventually our livers evolve (or are genetically engineered) and alcohol is just another tasty calorie source, like starch or fat.

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