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Re: Hetzner Cloud

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Post by MrHetzner » Tue, Jan 23, 2018, 5:26 PM UTC

rubenfonseca wrote: post #272

simosx wrote: post #251

Compared to Scaleway, Scaleway gives you two vCPUs (not one) and 50GB storage (not 20GB) for their entry level cloud server, at around 3€/month. URL: https://www.scaleway.com/pricing/ The problem with Scaleway is that they are working at capacity and are almost always out of stock. They are expanding now (and are hiring!), https://blog.online.net/2017/11/13/scaleway-enters-a-new-gro... The big difference between Hetz…

Scaleway is using Intel Atom cores.

I'll take a Xeon core over an Atom core any day :-)

Re: Hetzner Cloud

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Post by zzzcpan » Tue, Jan 23, 2018, 5:28 PM UTC

kuschku wrote: post #278

toomuchtodo wrote: post #276

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nvidia is going to have a difficult time enforcing that in the EU (where Hetzner operates).

That is a good point, but if a US citizen rents a server from Hetzner, they might still be affected. Better safe than sorry.

How do you see Nvidia enforcing it on individuals?

Re: Hetzner Cloud

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Post by kuschku » Tue, Jan 23, 2018, 5:33 PM UTC

zzzcpan wrote: post #282

kuschku wrote: post #278

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is a good point, but if a US citizen rents a server from Hetzner, they might still be affected. Better safe than sorry.

How do you see Nvidia enforcing it on individuals?

Not necessarily now, but if you decide to turn that little ML project into a startup, staying on the same infrastructure at first, Nvidia might just come after you.

Considering this is HN, it's a pretty safe assumption that people are running these side projects to turn them into startups.

Re: Hetzner Cloud

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Post by iwakura » Tue, Jan 23, 2018, 5:35 PM UTC

One often overlooked detail, which I just could not figure out by looking at their product page is which virtualization software they use. I haven't made particularly good experiences with OpenVZ in terms of flexibility and would rather have them use something like KVM.

Re: Hetzner Cloud

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Post by MrHetzner » Tue, Jan 23, 2018, 5:38 PM UTC

vidarh wrote: post #181

baybal2 wrote: post #7

Hetzner used to be a rather big conventional hoster. I'm surprised to see them up and running these days when all big co seemed to have migrated to that cloud thingy

They're so much cheaper than the big cloud providers that I've made quite a lot of money migrating clients off AWS and Google Cloud to Hetzner when they start getting big invoices and want to cut costs.

Especially funny because so many consultants want to move us from Hetzner to AWS.

Re: Hetzner Cloud

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Post by zzzcpan » Tue, Jan 23, 2018, 5:39 PM UTC

kuschku wrote: post #283

zzzcpan wrote: post #282

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you see Nvidia enforcing it on individuals?

Not necessarily now, but if you decide to turn that little ML project into a startup, staying on the same infrastructure at first, Nvidia might just come after you. Considering this is HN, it's a pretty safe assumption that people are running these side projects to turn them into startups.

How would they know your startup is doing ML violating their EULAs? I really don't see how this can be a concern for anyone, but very few companies.

Re: Hetzner Cloud

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Post by digianarchist » Tue, Jan 23, 2018, 5:44 PM UTC

DrSarez wrote: post #211

Cool - renting two CX31 instances plus a BX40 storage box seems to me a good solution running a private OpenShift cluster for under 50€ a month. Id need to figure it out!

Can the BX line be used as a network drive? It says "Useable as network drive" but what is the performance like?

Re: Hetzner Cloud

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Post by jmngomes » Tue, Jan 23, 2018, 5:51 PM UTC

simosx wrote: post #251

Compared to Scaleway, Scaleway gives you two vCPUs (not one) and 50GB storage (not 20GB) for their entry level cloud server, at around 3€/month. URL: https://www.scaleway.com/pricing/ The problem with Scaleway is that they are working at capacity and are almost always out of stock. They are expanding now (and are hiring!), https://blog.online.net/2017/11/13/scaleway-enters-a-new-gro... The big difference between Hetz…

>> two vCPUs (not one)

Two Intel Avoton cores, quite inferior to the Xeons that power Hetzner's vCPU. (assuming they are in stock)

I wrote this in detail on another reply, but Scaleway's "customer support" forums will give you a good grasp of what you're in for if you buy their service.

Re: Hetzner Cloud

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Post by Maakuth » Tue, Jan 23, 2018, 5:54 PM UTC

dx034 wrote: post #130

Maakuth wrote: post #13

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They are also in process of building out in Finland ( https://www.cinia.fi/en/archive/hetzner-data-center-park-hel... ). There's a direct GER-FIN fiber link laid in the Baltic, owned partially by Hetzner ( https://www.cinia.fi/en/services/international-connectivity-... ).

Makes Finland sense if you want to connect to Asian customers? Is there a good link Finland-JP/Korea/Singapore? Otherwise I fail to see why Finland makes sense, unless you need cheaper energy for applications that don't need low latency.

We do have cheap energy (from nuclear and mostly renewable CHP), cheap cooling, availability of educated workforce and stable state. And good network connections to Russia in addition to Nordic and Baltic states and continental Europe.

Re: Hetzner Cloud

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Post by snuxoll » Tue, Jan 23, 2018, 5:55 PM UTC

TimWolla wrote: post #137

dx034 wrote: post #117

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Ok thanks. So it appears that most peering is done in Frankfurt and available directly. Didn't see that wiki entry before. Let's just hope that they get more peering partners over the medium term. Peering with Telekom would be very helpful, pings from within Germany can be close to what you get from the US East Coast (from my not representative tests).

See this on why they won't peer with Deutsche Telekom: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10645577

Peering gets so incredibly stupid with consumer ISP's that it's infuriating. It reminds me of the whole Comcast-Cogent fiasco, it's incredibly unfair to try and charge other providers when the customers that are PAYING YOU are requesting the traffic.

I think any real effort at enshrining net neutrality as law instead of a gentleman's agreement needs to include provisions that prevent residential / small business ISP's from throwing their weight around with peering agreements at the detriment of their customers.