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Re: Hetzner Cloud

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Post by ovao »

kuschku wrote: post #264
mark_l_watson wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t mind the latency. I rent a a large GPU server from them for my own machine learning experiments. Their prices are so reasonably inexpensive that this is affordable. I think it would be more expensive for them to provide the same service in the USA - I base this in pricing. OVH is the only local provider I have used that is somewhat price competitive.

A fair warning to you: IMMEDIATELY TURN OFF UPDATES FOR THE NVIDIA DRIVER Since a few weeks ago, Nvidia changes their driver ToS, and any new versions of the driver are not permitted to be used in datacenters (except for crypto mining). See more here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15983587

The terms of service would (potentially) only apply to Hetzner, not to users of Hetzner's services.

Re: Hetzner Cloud

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Post by rubenfonseca »

simosx wrote: post #251

Compared to Scaleway, Scaleway gives you two vCPUs (not one) and 50GB storage (not 20GB) for their entry level cloud server, at around 3€/month. URL: https://www.scaleway.com/pricing/ The problem with Scaleway is that they are working at capacity and are almost always out of stock. They are expanding now (and are hiring!), https://blog.online.net/2017/11/13/scaleway-enters-a-new-gro... The big difference between Hetz…

Scaleway is using Intel Atom cores.

Re: Hetzner Cloud

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Post by stingraycharles »

simosx wrote: post #251

Compared to Scaleway, Scaleway gives you two vCPUs (not one) and 50GB storage (not 20GB) for their entry level cloud server, at around 3€/month. URL: https://www.scaleway.com/pricing/ The problem with Scaleway is that they are working at capacity and are almost always out of stock. They are expanding now (and are hiring!), https://blog.online.net/2017/11/13/scaleway-enters-a-new-gro... The big difference between Hetz…

> two vCPUs (not one)

A vCPU means nothing without considering the underlying CPU being used, and whether or not it's a dedicated core or not.

Re: Hetzner Cloud

#274

Post by chrismeller »

contingencies wrote: post #229

I recently tried Google Compute Cloud and concluded it's got almost as awful and crufty an interface as AWS. Almost. What is it with cloud providers, they can't hire a designer? Or they don't take them seriously? This stuff is terrible. So I'm still sold vs. AWS, and I have to run some nodes, and I think great, I can put the business credit card on a cloud account and run stuff. But then Google refuses to let me sign…

If all you’re using is EC2 or GCE (ie: plain VMs) you’re just wasting money anyway. You’d be better served by going with one of the cheaper alternatives that only do VMs, so Hetzner or Digital Ocean or Linode or whatever doesn’t really matter...

Re: Hetzner Cloud

#275

Post by kuschku »

ovao wrote: post #271
kuschku wrote: post #264

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A fair warning to you: IMMEDIATELY TURN OFF UPDATES FOR THE NVIDIA DRIVER Since a few weeks ago, Nvidia changes their driver ToS, and any new versions of the driver are not permitted to be used in datacenters (except for crypto mining). See more here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15983587

The terms of service would (potentially) only apply to Hetzner, not to users of Hetzner's services.

The driver ToS apply to whoever installs the driver. That is you, not Hetzner.

Re: Hetzner Cloud

#276

Post by toomuchtodo »

kuschku wrote: post #264
mark_l_watson wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t mind the latency. I rent a a large GPU server from them for my own machine learning experiments. Their prices are so reasonably inexpensive that this is affordable. I think it would be more expensive for them to provide the same service in the USA - I base this in pricing. OVH is the only local provider I have used that is somewhat price competitive.

A fair warning to you: IMMEDIATELY TURN OFF UPDATES FOR THE NVIDIA DRIVER Since a few weeks ago, Nvidia changes their driver ToS, and any new versions of the driver are not permitted to be used in datacenters (except for crypto mining). See more here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15983587

Nvidia is going to have a difficult time enforcing that in the EU (where Hetzner operates).

Re: Hetzner Cloud

#277

Post by AFNobody »

Hetzner_OL wrote: post #265
AFNobody wrote: post #252

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its hit or miss, from experience, in English. I use them heavily for their cheap object storage + backups. But even for cheap, dumb storage situations they sometimes give "interesting" responses to support questions. To be fair, I contact them maybe 3 to 4 times a year (always related to hardware / network down issues). So, my experience may not be representative.

Thanks for the feedback about possible confusion caused by language issues. As the company's in-house English teacher, I am always curious to hear how we're doing in that regard. If you happen to have any old support ticket numbers where English was an issue, I'd appreciate looking at them so that I can integrate them into one of my classes. --Katie, Marketing (and English teacher), Hetzner Online

Sorry for the confusion, we were discussing OVH support. I've never had that problem with Hetzner support.

> When contacting OVH support in French, I generally receive very good support. I sometimes wonder how good the response is when they receive the same question in English.

Re: Hetzner Cloud

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Post by kuschku »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #276
kuschku wrote: post #264

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A fair warning to you: IMMEDIATELY TURN OFF UPDATES FOR THE NVIDIA DRIVER Since a few weeks ago, Nvidia changes their driver ToS, and any new versions of the driver are not permitted to be used in datacenters (except for crypto mining). See more here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15983587

Nvidia is going to have a difficult time enforcing that in the EU (where Hetzner operates).

That is a good point, but if a US citizen rents a server from Hetzner, they might still be affected. Better safe than sorry.

Re: Hetzner Cloud

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Post by [deleted] »

kuschku wrote: post #278
toomuchtodo wrote: post #276

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nvidia is going to have a difficult time enforcing that in the EU (where Hetzner operates).

That is a good point, but if a US citizen rents a server from Hetzner, they might still be affected. Better safe than sorry.

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Re: Hetzner Cloud

#280

Post by tombrossman »

rubenfonseca wrote: post #272
simosx wrote: post #251

Compared to Scaleway, Scaleway gives you two vCPUs (not one) and 50GB storage (not 20GB) for their entry level cloud server, at around 3€/month. URL: https://www.scaleway.com/pricing/ The problem with Scaleway is that they are working at capacity and are almost always out of stock. They are expanding now (and are hiring!), https://blog.online.net/2017/11/13/scaleway-enters-a-new-gro... The big difference between Hetz…

Scaleway is using Intel Atom cores.

Atom cores and IIRC all network disks, with some peculiarities. For example, reboot means waiting while your instance's 'local' drive is copied to some other type of storage, then your instance reboots, then all the data is copied back, THEN you can access your instance again. When I tested them last year reboots meant 30+ minutes of down time.

Their setup is interesting and I really wanted to like it (I did like the pricing), but it was a dreadfully slow experience. And those Atoms really suffered when benchmarking HTTPS connections compared to almost any other provider. Not even close.

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