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Re: Facebook open-sources Detectron

#141

Post by MisterTea »

bildung wrote: post #125
kurtisc wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For the car captchas, I've found actually clicking all the boxes with part of a car will always be a wrong answer (distinct from when it just makes you answer twice). Instead, you have to click on the squares that you know it thinks are cars. This creates a twisted Turing test situation where, to prove you are a human, you have to pretend to be a machine's idea of what a human is.

It was the same when this was about words from old books. I always had to fill in letters the average person would have thought it to be, not what it actually was (e.g. the letter "f" for what really was an "s" in gothic type). Nowadays it's much easier, you can click anything that looks vaguely the same (e.g. boxy things for cars, ads for traffic signs, traffic signs for store fronts etc.). The fact that it's so eas…

I actually like poisoning them. Not to be malicious but I feel manipulated into training their software for free. "Oh you wanted to sign up for that web forum? Sorry, but you have to do some free work for us first"

And if you think that it's somehow good because it's mutually beneficial to train AI to better the future of humanity, don't. That is what their marketing department wants you to think.

Re: Facebook open-sources Detectron

#142

Post by Jaruzel »

Sir_Cmpwn wrote: post #117
Jaruzel wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your https-everywhere is doing it wrong. I don't have an SSL on my personal site (no requirement to). I do have SSL on other domains that share that IP however.

The idea that you have no requirement to is wrong - your site may not have sensitive information but without SSL it can be MITM'd and used as a vector for malware, ad injection, etc.

You argument is valid (somewhat), but I don't think that I attract enough traffic on a constant basis, to invest the time and effort to SSL up all my domains.

So far I've had a less than stellar experience with letsencrypt, so I'm not quite ready to go all free-certs just quite yet. It also requires a rebuild of my web-server[1] which I've been putting off for a very long time already.

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[1] See my other post in this thread.

Re: Facebook open-sources Detectron

#143

Post by Jaruzel »

Spare_account wrote: post #129
na85 wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Complaining about a non-existent SSL cert and then backseat driving the "fix", using words like "you need to", all based on shady memories of configuring IIS a decade ago? Really?

Just having a chat about it really, sorry it rubbed you up the wrong way.

I'm cool with it. I like these sort of side-bar conversations.

Re: Facebook open-sources Detectron

#144

Post by Sir_Cmpwn »

Jaruzel wrote: post #142
Sir_Cmpwn wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The idea that you have no requirement to is wrong - your site may not have sensitive information but without SSL it can be MITM'd and used as a vector for malware, ad injection, etc.

You argument is valid (somewhat), but I don't think that I attract enough traffic on a constant basis, to invest the time and effort to SSL up all my domains. So far I've had a less than stellar experience with letsencrypt, so I'm not quite ready to go all free-certs just quite yet. It also requires a rebuild of my web-server[1] which I've been putting off for a very long time already. --- [1] See my other post in th…

So long as your site doens't have SSL you shouldn't be linking people to it. You're under no obligation to drop everything and fix your web server security but you should really stop using it until you do.

Re: Facebook open-sources Detectron

#145

Post by stochastic_monk »

kbenson wrote: post #53
megous wrote: post #7

So is this the end of Google captchas asking for where the car/sign/whatever is? Will there be a final battle of AIs, where they will kill each other, and the unfettered access to websites over VPN/tor wins and laughs the last laugh?

Google doesn't even show a catpcha if they have enough tracking info for toy to verify you're a human, which is pretty simple for them if you don't clear all your cookies for a few days. I'm pretty sure Google thinks if they have to show you a catpcha they've failed, but along with that they don't feel the need to make the catpchas particularly easy if they do have to show it.

I take it you don't use a VPN. I often have to pass a captcha just to use google search when in an IPv4 address. (Considering that ISPs are now allowed to sell my data, using a VPN seems to be an obvious choice.)

It's annoying to the point that it's pushed me to use DuckDuckGo more often and I tend to avoid platforms that require me to continually take their captchas. I used Discord for a little while, but once it started asking me to verify my humanity again periodically per session, I booked it.

Re: Facebook open-sources Detectron

#146

Post by dazmax »

MisterTea wrote: post #141
bildung wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was the same when this was about words from old books. I always had to fill in letters the average person would have thought it to be, not what it actually was (e.g. the letter "f" for what really was an "s" in gothic type). Nowadays it's much easier, you can click anything that looks vaguely the same (e.g. boxy things for cars, ads for traffic signs, traffic signs for store fronts etc.). The fact that it's so eas…

I actually like poisoning them. Not to be malicious but I feel manipulated into training their software for free. "Oh you wanted to sign up for that web forum? Sorry, but you have to do some free work for us first" And if you think that it's somehow good because it's mutually beneficial to train AI to better the future of humanity, don't. That is what their marketing department wants you to think.

The value they're providing is to the forum owner, who has reduced spam-handling workload.

So the forum is providing you value, you are providing Google value, and Google is providing the forum value.

Re: Facebook open-sources Detectron

#147

Post by kbenson »

stochastic_monk wrote: post #145
kbenson wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google doesn't even show a catpcha if they have enough tracking info for toy to verify you're a human, which is pretty simple for them if you don't clear all your cookies for a few days. I'm pretty sure Google thinks if they have to show you a catpcha they've failed, but along with that they don't feel the need to make the catpchas particularly easy if they do have to show it.

I take it you don't use a VPN. I often have to pass a captcha just to use google search when in an IPv4 address. (Considering that ISPs are now allowed to sell my data, using a VPN seems to be an obvious choice.) It's annoying to the point that it's pushed me to use DuckDuckGo more often and I tend to avoid platforms that require me to continually take their captchas. I used Discord for a little while, but once it st…

So, you're traffic is coming from some provider that purposefully obfuscates info and your traffic is mixed with a bunch of other people's? I can't imagine why they view you as less likely to be verified as a real person...

Re: Facebook open-sources Detectron

#148

Post by eggie5 »

franciscop wrote: post #36

Does anyone know an alternative that works on RaspberryPi? This states: "Detectron operators currently do not have CPU implementation; a GPU system is required." Even low FPS (3-5) would be acceptable.

i ras running a NAS-based object detection model on my big-new MacBook and it was taking about 30s/image on an unoptimised tensorflow build. I then tried a model/net model which took about 3-4s/image.

Re: Facebook open-sources Detectron

#150

Post by kbenson »

culerawo wrote: post #66
beobab wrote: post #62

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I hate it when I fail the Turing test, and can't log in to stuff.

Obviously I am 99.99% sure I am clicking correctly, yet Recaptcha displays me another and another captcha, until it lets me move on. Is it a system bug or maybe their bot detection got quite unreliable?

I've seen this happen, and I think it was because the IP address was previously used for craping of some sort, or somehow set off some flags at Google. VPN providers can cause this because sometimes their IPs are used for just such things.
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