Qatar is the biggest sponsor of Islamic radicalism and terrorism all over the world. They also pay western politicians and media to tarnish their neighbor countries especially Egypt.
Tiny, Wealthy Qatar Goes Its Own Way, and Pays for It
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#72Here is my question for HN readers: do you trust this article? Because it tries to fool us. Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Europe, US and Turkey was the big alliance which tried to take down Syria. Please check the records western news channels in 2013, it was full of joyful propaganda about Free Syrian Army fighting for democracy in Syria. The actual goal was of course had nothing to do with democracy and Arab spring was tota…
I read something rather different; depicts Trump as clueless, infantile, and manipulated by Saudi Arabia; all these countries have a risky excess of American made arms, Qatar in 2017 alone ordered enough military jets to increase its holdings by a factor of 8. The mere possibility of Emirates or Saudi Arabia let alone both, starting a war or attempting a coup of Tamim should bother anyone. I don't see how it's remotely propaganda, what's the motive? And is it really such good propaganda to depict the leader of the free world as inept and a compulsive Twitter junkie?
And Erdogan staged his own failed coup. By all rights even before the coup attempt Turkey should be ejected from NATO. A conspiracy is not required to oppose an autocrat in violation of his country's constitution, and has made it a good deal less secure by showing to its enemies how easy it is make it react contrary to its own law, its international agreements, and the will of its own citizens. But I don't really know why you bring up Turkey, as this article doesn't mention it.
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#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't see how you connected my thoughts to Russia. I'm just a guy who has been praying for the people in Syria since the beginning of the war.
I linked it because I keep a close eye on Putin's propaganda war on democracy and, specifically, on the EU (me being in the EU). But just re-read your comment and the connection is pretty obvious... > The goal was to create a new pipeline from Qatar to Europe so Europe don’t have to buy gas from Russia > Russia won the war in both Ukraine and Syria, at same time > Qatar and Turkey are now enemies on the Russian side.…
Either you follow Russian media agencies closely so you can categorize information by national news agencies, or you're just labeling me for telling facts that you don't like to hear. Neither behavior is not smart.
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#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
Worth the read: https://www.mintpressnews.com/wikileaks-us-israel-and-saudi-...
Have a link to the original cable? A lot of what is written there doesn't pass the basic smell test of anybody even vaguely familiar with the conflict
MintPress is a rather unreliable source. [0][1]
[0] https://www.minnpost.com/media/2015/11/mystery-mintpress-new...
[1] https://www.buzzfeed.com/rosiegray/the-inside-story-of-one-w...
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#75Here is my question for HN readers: do you trust this article? Because it tries to fool us. Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Europe, US and Turkey was the big alliance which tried to take down Syria. Please check the records western news channels in 2013, it was full of joyful propaganda about Free Syrian Army fighting for democracy in Syria. The actual goal was of course had nothing to do with democracy and Arab spring was tota…
VP, Biden indirectly confirmed your points [1] Every one must watch this for a candid view.
Re: Tiny, Wealthy Qatar Goes Its Own Way, and Pays for It
#76Here is my question for HN readers: do you trust this article? Because it tries to fool us. Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Europe, US and Turkey was the big alliance which tried to take down Syria. Please check the records western news channels in 2013, it was full of joyful propaganda about Free Syrian Army fighting for democracy in Syria. The actual goal was of course had nothing to do with democracy and Arab spring was tota…
The goal was to create a new pipeline from Qatar to Europe so Europe don’t have to buy gas from Russia. Your missing something obvious with this conspiracy theory. Look at a map. Iraq borders both SA and Turkey. It would be cheaper to build through Iraq than destabilize an entire country. Believe it or not, every time something goes wrong in the world, the US is not behind it. These conspiracy theories help no one.
The other conspiracy that exist, there is three countries that surround occupied Palestine two of them already in USA pocket and one still refuse to make relation with occupied Palestine so destabilize Syria is big win for USA.
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#77Pretty good article although, it is still very soft on Saudi Arabia and too intent to glamorize bin Salman. But american media has always been intent on glamorizing bin Salman. What really pisses me off about this whole story is the role Trump played. It is not surprising to see Saudi Arabia and the Emirates to suddenly gang up in an surprising all out attack on Qatar in one morning. These types of intrigues happen i…
don't forget the pictures of them all touching the orb...
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#78Qatar is the biggest sponsor of Islamic radicalism and terrorism all over the world. They also pay western politicians and media to tarnish their neighbor countries especially Egypt.
Seriously? where are you proofs? and if your fictional proofs exist then why they didn't took Qatar into international court.
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#79Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't think there was anything sudden about it. From a 2003 BBC article Its rival, al-Jazeera, has ruffled feathers among governments in the West by screening videotapes from al Qaeda and Osama Bin Laden. And by giving a platform to exiled Middle East dissidents, al-Jazeera has upset Jordan, Kuwait, Algeria and the Palestinian Authority, among others. Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3236654.stm Here'…
Al Jazeera been a continuous thorn in the rest of the Arab world's side, yes, but what caused tensions to boil over in 2017? Their arabic language coverage wasn't really any more abrasive last year than it was in 2011, 2005 or 1999. Hearst's aphorism "You furnish the pictures and I'll furnish the war" comes to mind. AJ was only a pretext for this mess.
Right. It's _not_ just Al Jazeera. But that doesn't make Al Jazeera a canard in their justifications. Al Jazeera needn't have done anything contemporaneous with the embargo for it to be legitimately part of Arab countries' grievances. It's obvious that what immediately precipitated the embargo was the rise of crown prince Mohammed bin Salman, but what precipitates an event is rarely the only cause.
If we accept that Al Jazeera has promoted narratives that materially threaten the power structures of some Arab countries (see my previous news links), and which support factions in Libya and Syria opposed by Arab-backed factions, to the extent that Al Jazeera is a tool of the Qatar state those narratives implicate Qatar and its leadership.
The real question is to what extent is Al Jazeera a tool of Qatar foreign policy; specifically, to what extent has Qatar weaponized Al Jazeera? I don't know enough to have an informed opinion, but it seems clear to me that at the very least the answer is not simple.
(FWIW, none of this is to say that I think there's anything wrong, objectively, with most Al Jazeera reporting or even of Qatari foreign policy generally.)
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#80Earlier quoted context omitted.
I linked it because I keep a close eye on Putin's propaganda war on democracy and, specifically, on the EU (me being in the EU). But just re-read your comment and the connection is pretty obvious... > The goal was to create a new pipeline from Qatar to Europe so Europe don’t have to buy gas from Russia > Russia won the war in both Ukraine and Syria, at same time > Qatar and Turkey are now enemies on the Russian side.…
Either you follow Russian media agencies closely so you can categorize information by national news agencies, or you're just labeling me for telling facts that you don't like to hear. Neither behavior is not smart.
The conspiracy theory crowd is always full of "facts" (ahem) that "people just don't want to hear". Because people "live in their bubble", obviously.