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Re: Dvxk: A Vulkan-Based D3D11 Implementation for Linux with Wine

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Not everyone is on Steam. Everyone I know still buys from retail, as they care to have something physical. Also UWP has the XBOX titles, and if Microsoft really wanted they could just pull all their titles out of Steam, assuming whatever contracts they have in place make it possible.

> Everyone I know still buys from retail It would seem that "Everyone" you know is not a very representative sample then.

I can state the same from your Steam sample.

Re: Dvxk: A Vulkan-Based D3D11 Implementation for Linux with Wine

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It really sucks that Dvxk has to warn against the dangers of using it for online gaming: "Manipulation of Direct3D libraries in multi-player games may be considered cheating and can get your account banned. This may also apply to single-player games with an embedded or dedicated multiplayer portion. Use at your own risk."

Ah yes! You could make it draw walls as semi-transparent to see opponents through them!

Re: Dvxk: A Vulkan-Based D3D11 Implementation for Linux with Wine

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post #32

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Steam doesn't play ball with the Microsoft app-store that UWP insists on. That's pretty much a game-over for UWP in the gaming world.

Not everyone is on Steam. Everyone I know still buys from retail, as they care to have something physical. Also UWP has the XBOX titles, and if Microsoft really wanted they could just pull all their titles out of Steam, assuming whatever contracts they have in place make it possible.

Digital overtook physical in 2010 [1] and has only taken a more commanding lead since then. Physical PC games are, essentially, dead, with only a quarter of sales being physical in 2016 [2].

1: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/oliverchia...

2: https://www.statista.com/statistics/190225/digital-and-physi...

Re: Dvxk: A Vulkan-Based D3D11 Implementation for Linux with Wine

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And they're going to keep trying until it finally sticks. It's like Palladium or the Scientology Fair Game policy: just because people don't like it doesn't make it not critical to the organization. They just have to backpedal publicly to re-establish good PR, then sneak it in quietly while people's guard is down.

Microsoft isn't Apple. Their entire business relies on retaining as much backwards compatibility as possible Every time they make any sort of major, sweeping change. They get raked over coals until they're charred to a god damn crisp When Windows went from the old DOS-ish 95/98/ME to the much more stable NT based 2000 and XP, lots of things broke. XP only survived the Microsoft EOL chopping block because of the rise…

> Microsoft isn't Apple.

And that's just the problem, innit. The App Store is making Windows irrelevant. Apple also has a FAR better security story, and part of it is because they whitelist everything that runs on their flagship devices.

Microsoft tried to do the same thing with Windows RT and Windows Phone. Didn't work. They were forced to backpedal, but they're not about to give up on making Windows Store the centerpiece of the Windows experience, and sideline, marginalize, and limit the capabilities of Win32 on the Microsoft platform -- "for security purposes" of course. Eventually, Win32 stuff will still run, but heavily sandboxed and unable to take advantage of cutting edge features of the Windows OS (HoloLens? Cortana? The database file system they've put off implementing for so long?). It could be that Windows 11 uses HyperV to run a Windows 7 instance for legacy apps while new stuff -- including support for newer graphics cards/GPUs -- must be compiled against UWP in order to run on the main kernel instance.

Re: Dvxk: A Vulkan-Based D3D11 Implementation for Linux with Wine

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post #35

It really sucks that Dvxk has to warn against the dangers of using it for online gaming: "Manipulation of Direct3D libraries in multi-player games may be considered cheating and can get your account banned. This may also apply to single-player games with an embedded or dedicated multiplayer portion. Use at your own risk."

Ah yes! You could make it draw walls as semi-transparent to see opponents through them!

The problem is not only hooking into the rendering, DLL injection can be used to take over the entire process and basically do whatever you want in a game client.

Re: Dvxk: A Vulkan-Based D3D11 Implementation for Linux with Wine

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Except Microsoft is not Apple and even Apple did not nearly succeed in getting developers to use their App Store on the desktop. They did get developers to use Cocoa but that is clearly much better than Carbon and Apple worked hard to make it do everything Carbon does. The selling point for developing on Windows is that you can mostly do anything and the Store is a sandbox. Developers aren’t going to want to get into…

Apple and Google together have abandoned more tech than Microsoft.

Citation please. I believe Microsoft is the king of abandoned tech.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Discontinued_Microsof...

there's also:

  Groove Streaming Music
  Microsoft Office Groove
  Access Services for SharePoint Online
  Microsoft Continuum
  Skype for Business
  Kinect Adapter
  Microsoft Band
  Xbox One TV DVR
  Kinect Xbox One
  Kinect Windows
  Wunderlist
  Sunset
  Games for Windows
  Silverlight
  Zune
  Kin
  XNA
  PlaysForSure
  Flight Sim
  Expression Suite
  SteadyState
  Windows RT
  Windows Phone 10
  Windows Phone 8.1
  Windows Phone 7
  Forefront
  Front Page
  Money
Please add any that Wikipedia and I have missed.

Re: Dvxk: A Vulkan-Based D3D11 Implementation for Linux with Wine

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post #39

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Apple and Google together have abandoned more tech than Microsoft.

Citation please. I believe Microsoft is the king of abandoned tech. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Discontinued_Microsof... there's also: Groove Streaming Music Microsoft Office Groove Access Services for SharePoint Online Microsoft Continuum Skype for Business Kinect Adapter Microsoft Band Xbox One TV DVR Kinect Xbox One Kinect Windows Wunderlist Sunset Games for Windows Silverlight Zune Kin XNA PlaysForSure…

Looks the lists are missing at least Microsoft Forefront:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Forefront_Threat_Man...

Good riddance.

Re: Dvxk: A Vulkan-Based D3D11 Implementation for Linux with Wine

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post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Citation please. I believe Microsoft is the king of abandoned tech. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Discontinued_Microsof... there's also: Groove Streaming Music Microsoft Office Groove Access Services for SharePoint Online Microsoft Continuum Skype for Business Kinect Adapter Microsoft Band Xbox One TV DVR Kinect Xbox One Kinect Windows Wunderlist Sunset Games for Windows Silverlight Zune Kin XNA PlaysForSure…

Looks the lists are missing at least Microsoft Forefront: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Forefront_Threat_Man... Good riddance.

Thanks for that. That Wikipedia entry uncovered these additional discontinued products

  Microsoft Forefront Threat Management Gateway
  Microsoft Forefront Unified Access Gateway
  Microsoft Forefront Identity Manager
  Microsoft Proxy Server
  Windows Essential Business Server
  Microsoft Robotics Developer Studio
  Microsoft BackOffice Server
  Content Management Server
  Microsoft SNA Server 
  Microsoft Site Server
  Microsoft Merchant Server
  Microsoft Groove Server 
  System Center Capacity Planner
  Microsoft Commerce Server
  Microsoft SharePoint Workspace
  Microsoft InfoPath
  Microsoft Office Document Imaging
  Microsoft Office Document Scanning
  Microsoft PhotoDraw 2000
  Microsoft Photo Editor
  Microsoft Schedule Plus
  Microsoft Virtual PC
  Microsoft Vizact 2000
  Microsoft Data Analyzer 2002
  Microsoft Ofice Assistant
  Microsoft SharePoint Designer
  Microsoft Office InterConnect
  Microsoft Office Picture Manager
  Microsoft Entourage
  Microsoft Office Forms Server:
  Microsoft Office Project Portfolio Server
  Microsoft Office PerformancePoint Server
  Office Live Small Business
  Office Live Workspace
  Office Live Meeting

Re: Dvxk: A Vulkan-Based D3D11 Implementation for Linux with Wine

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post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple and Google together have abandoned more tech than Microsoft.

Citation please. I believe Microsoft is the king of abandoned tech. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Discontinued_Microsof... there's also: Groove Streaming Music Microsoft Office Groove Access Services for SharePoint Online Microsoft Continuum Skype for Business Kinect Adapter Microsoft Band Xbox One TV DVR Kinect Xbox One Kinect Windows Wunderlist Sunset Games for Windows Silverlight Zune Kin XNA PlaysForSure…

I don’t think Skype for Business and Wunderlist have been discontinued. But my comment was more about things like ‘PlaysForSure,’ Silverlight and Windows Phone. It’s not really that big a problem they discontinued Space Cadet.

Re: Dvxk: A Vulkan-Based D3D11 Implementation for Linux with Wine

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Citation please. I believe Microsoft is the king of abandoned tech. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Discontinued_Microsof... there's also: Groove Streaming Music Microsoft Office Groove Access Services for SharePoint Online Microsoft Continuum Skype for Business Kinect Adapter Microsoft Band Xbox One TV DVR Kinect Xbox One Kinect Windows Wunderlist Sunset Games for Windows Silverlight Zune Kin XNA PlaysForSure…

I don’t think Skype for Business and Wunderlist have been discontinued. But my comment was more about things like ‘PlaysForSure,’ Silverlight and Windows Phone. It’s not really that big a problem they discontinued Space Cadet.

> I don’t think Skype for Business and Wunderlist have been discontinued.

FWIW:

"Microsoft is going all in on Teams and plans to phase out Skype for Business"

https://techcrunch.com/2017/09/25/microsoft-is-going-all-in-...

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