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Thousands of Turks accused of using Bylock app despite never having used it

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Post by nasredin »

Quarrelsome wrote: post #120
philipov wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, precisely. And the first problem can be eliminating tacit acknowledgement of the legitimacy of oppressive governments.

No need to bring all of your moral judgement into everything. Would you treat a wounded criminal or would their criminality effect your ability to treat them? One problem at a time.

I don't follow your analogy.

IMHO, a better one:

Your friend (used loosely in this case) is doing criminal acts. Would you tell him to stop doing criminal acts while you treat him?

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Sometimes journalist take this "ALLWAYS two sides to every story" and "each side is equal" crap too far.

See the success of Wolf's book on Trump.

Re: Thousands of Turks accused of using Bylock app despite never having used it

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Post by t-away9912 »

rublev wrote: post #142
t-away9912 wrote: post #43

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caution against only blaming "those on top". Unfortunately, many of these policies are supported by the masses which is a lot more disheartening to me.

Can't blame the masses. I feel no contempt for propagaters, only catalysts.

why not? if the majority of the people approves oppression of a part of the society, you're kidding yourself by blaming few on top or catalysts, etc. It's a much more difficult problem when the society does not support the fundamental principles required for the modern society.

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Post by philipodonnell »

makmanalp wrote: post #159
danso wrote: post #89

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While the government policy is ultimately what causes people to be jailed, you don’t think it’s important to focus on how technology uniquely exacerbates the problem by making it scalable? This is one of the few tech headlines that mention number of LOC that is basically and technically accurate. It does seem that a single — and trivial — line of code has led to the tragicomical punishment of thousands of innocent ci…

> the targeted group used a very simple hack to frustrate the government’s idiotic tactics It's just a tracking pixel - what gives me pause here is that the government either doesn't know or doesn't care that "any IPs that every talked to our list of bad IPs" is a really inaccurate way to conclude that people are criminals - this should be obvious to anyone who claims knowledge in digital forensics. So the story is t…

This all seems surprisingly similar to the argument about punishing "bots" based on technological features that are not known to be 100% accurate. Less trivial to those affected, to be sure, but similar enough that I wonder if the same thought processes and dynamics are at work on both sides.

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Post by nielsole »

lovelearning wrote: post #27
integricho wrote: post #5

I find it very frustrating to read about such oppressive regimes. It fills me with anger, I cannot help myself, I just hate injustice.

Me too. I find it inexplicable that while our species has progressed so much after 6000 years of civilization, one thing that doesn't seem to have changed is the desire of large sections of people to be led by oppressive maniacs. It's almost like many of us just love handing away our freedoms. Have sociologists studied this phenomenon?

While I do not know the reasoning behind it, the term that describes that is Democratic Backsliding https://muse.jhu.edu/article/607612

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Post by Cyph0n »

tim333 wrote: post #133

>nearly 150,000 Turks detained >An estimated 30,000 are believed to be among the innocent swept up in this particular campaign I'd say an estimated 150,000 or so are innocent of anything that would be a crime in any normal country. I note Turkey is not getting anywhere with getting Gullen himself extradited because it would require showing evidence to a US court that he'd done something beyond being a political oppon…

I'm not too familiar with the whole Gulen thing in general, but I have heard that the Gulenists were an almost cult-like group that favored each other and made sure only they got into the highest levels of power.

I'm sure Erdogan did blow the story out of proportion (it benefits him to do so), but I also think that Gulen and his followers are not fault-free.

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Post by AdrianB1 »

dsfyu404ed wrote: post #151
mrguyorama wrote: post #149

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Do you mean non-gunpowder based "firearms"? My understanding was something even as small as a .22 is significantly deadly

Ballistics matter more than caliber Assuming center of mass you've really gotta pepper someone with .22lr before they're as good as dead. .223 (aka 5.56 NATO) is still .22 but a lot more effective at putting holes in people. At sufficient range a blast of 12ga birdshot won't even kill an old lawyer. At short range the question would be what lawyer?

You are making a huge confusion if you thing .223 is still .22; the mass of the bullet is bigger, the energy is way bigger (disclosure: I am a shooting range instructor when I am not an IT guy)

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Post by nugi »

yesenadam wrote: post #135
thrillgore wrote: post #102

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Firearms are designed to kill or disable another party. Software has no use case besides what a developer gives it. That's a pretty significant difference in design!

OMG I can't believe you're downvoted for saying that, more than the person you were responding to! Americans you are nuts. Last political-related comment I ever make on here, if I can help it. Sick of seeing and getting downvotes for stating the bleeding obvious.

Resorting to calling an entire country names, because their beliefs differ from yours in a way you don't understand is "nuts". Not commenting, in that case, may indeed be prudent.

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Post by AdrianB1 »

thrillgore wrote: post #102
ythn wrote: post #91

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"Guns don't kill people, people do" "Code doesn't cause people to be arrested, people do" True in both cases, but also true in both cases that guns/code are used as enablers of the evil deeds.

Firearms are designed to kill or disable another party. Software has no use case besides what a developer gives it. That's a pretty significant difference in design!

They can be both misused.

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Post by AdrianB1 »

mcguire wrote: post #75
namelost wrote: post #57

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If you hadn't pointed it out I wouldn't even have noticed. The CBC is the last place you expect to find Turkish propaganda.

Failure to do so could put CBC personnel in Turkey in danger.

So writing incomplete or misleading news is the solution?
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