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Thousands of Turks accused of using Bylock app despite never having used it

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Post by simplify »

integricho wrote: post #22
sillysaurus3 wrote: post #16

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Embrace it. Let's burn the world and rebuild. And replace it with our own unjust systems, ad infinitum. It's worth doing. The big will screw the small just because they can. But this always happens, everywhere. How does it feel being a slave to a paycheck and a career? It's such an ingrained concept that few people question why businesses are allowed to extract 10 hours of your life five days a week. That's time you…

I might be an optimist, but I still have hopes that humanity might free itself with from the grunt work with full robotic automation and AI, and switch to a universal basic income model to provide for the needs of the people.

Realistically, who else but the "one percent" will own all the robotic automation and AI?

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Post by simonh »

Banthum wrote: post #52
yorby wrote: post #26

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I thought that the American government had the worst ratio of free citizens/incarcerated citizens ...

America has a high ratio. To call it 'worst' is a value judgment and not an objective statement, any more than saying the abortion or divorce rate is better or worse.

Failed attempt at a ‘technical’ correction.

I think it’s reasonable to say that the highest incarceration rate is the worst rate, regardless of the reasons. Whether it’s due to an excessively harsh system, high rates of damaging criminality, whatever it is, they’re all bad whatever they are. Surely the ideal number of wrongly convicted people, and the ideal number of legitimately convicted people, and the ideal number of criminals that have escaped justice are all as low as possible?

Similarly for abortion and divorce. Even people who believe abortion should be an option would prefer there to be no need for it. Every one of them is a tragedy no matter which side of the debate you’re on. Same for Divorce.

Re: Thousands of Turks accused of using Bylock app despite never having used it

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Post by simonh »

tzahola wrote: post #6
Rjevski wrote: post #3

FTFY: a shitty government is putting people in jail. Even if we ignore the horrible government and bullshit reasons why they're considering installing an encrypted chat app a "crime", they should at least use proper evidence for the convictions, like a dump of the phone's memory with the chat app installed on it, and not a simple DNS lookup/HTTP request to the chat app's domain.

No, it was a single line of code. We should ban codes like this.

The people who wrote the code, whatever else they may or not be guilty of and whether or not the code should be illegal or not, didn’t put anyone in jail.

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Post by joosters »

legacynl wrote: post #54
lovelearning wrote: post #27

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Me too. I find it inexplicable that while our species has progressed so much after 6000 years of civilization, one thing that doesn't seem to have changed is the desire of large sections of people to be led by oppressive maniacs. It's almost like many of us just love handing away our freedoms. Have sociologists studied this phenomenon?

low quality education.

I doubt that the people involved are stupid, or are trying to punish their opponents because of a lack of education. Better education might lead to more effective attacks, it won't stop them.

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Post by theBobBob »

Aaron1011 wrote: post #32
yorby wrote: post #26

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I thought that the American government had the worst ratio of free citizens/incarcerated citizens ...

A government can imprison people for horrible reasons, but still not have the worst radio.

Another part that effects the current prison population is the length of sentences. One country might imprison less people but for much longer so the total population at one time might be very high.

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Post by joosters »

yesenadam wrote: post #49
tobltobs wrote: post #21

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And what do you want to tell us with your whataboutism?

Well, that's a glib remark if I've ever heard one. "Whataboutism" - so that's.. said to people who tiresomely derail discussion of seriously wrongdoing with their pat diagnosis and dismiss the original topic as naive. Unfortunately you have done that same thing by using the word. I get why it's useful to have a name for the phenomenon, but there's nothing commendable about the way you used it, it came across sounding…

IMO the person they were replying to sounded superior.

There will always be a more important issue than the one being discussed. (in the eyes of someone, at least). That's no reason to prevent talking about anything else.

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Post by simonh »

lovelearning wrote: post #27
integricho wrote: post #5

I find it very frustrating to read about such oppressive regimes. It fills me with anger, I cannot help myself, I just hate injustice.

Me too. I find it inexplicable that while our species has progressed so much after 6000 years of civilization, one thing that doesn't seem to have changed is the desire of large sections of people to be led by oppressive maniacs. It's almost like many of us just love handing away our freedoms. Have sociologists studied this phenomenon?

I think it’s that many of us just love handing away other people’s freedoms. ‘They’ are the ones we’re oppressing, ‘they’ deserve it. It’s seen as an easy shortcut to oppress ‘them’.

Then you get the Syrian Christians who voted for Trump in droves because if his anti-Muslim stance, but who’s communities are being gutted by deportations because it turns out all the laws being used against Syrian Muslim immigrants apply just as well to Syrian Christians. Oops.

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Post by danso »

thrill wrote: post #56
acdha wrote: post #28

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> I bet that on HN you'll find a lot of support for jailing people who install a let's say Nazi chat app on their phone. This is pure flame-bait and will not result in any positive contributions to this conversation.

The magnitude of the down votes on his comment lend some weight to his criticism.

I downvoted not just because it was an empty rhetorical statement (wouldn't upvotes also lend weight to his criticism?), but because such a claim should be supported by links to examples. For example, I can find recent discussions in which HN users have said companies like Cloudflare should feel obligated to not serve sites like Daily Stormer -- and many users who think Cloudflare should be neutral. Can't think of any significant group of users who have ever argued for jailing anyone involved in the situation, whether it be users or the Daily Stormer itself:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15031922

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