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Re: Thousands of Turks accused of using Bylock app despite never having used it

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Post by tobltobs » Mon, Jan 22, 2018, 1:42 PM UTC

txsh wrote: post #11

integricho wrote: post #5

I find it very frustrating to read about such oppressive regimes. It fills me with anger, I cannot help myself, I just hate injustice.

You’re probably writing this from a country that drops bombs on people without first knowing who they are or why they are there, just that they appear to be male and over a certain height in an area of terrorist activity. No courts. No oversight. No accountability. What Turkey is doing is terrible but mild in comparison to the drone war.

And what do you want to tell us with your whataboutism?

Re: Thousands of Turks accused of using Bylock app despite never having used it

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Post by integricho » Mon, Jan 22, 2018, 1:42 PM UTC

sillysaurus3 wrote: post #16

integricho wrote: post #5

I find it very frustrating to read about such oppressive regimes. It fills me with anger, I cannot help myself, I just hate injustice.

Embrace it. Let's burn the world and rebuild. And replace it with our own unjust systems, ad infinitum. It's worth doing. The big will screw the small just because they can. But this always happens, everywhere. How does it feel being a slave to a paycheck and a career? It's such an ingrained concept that few people question why businesses are allowed to extract 10 hours of your life five days a week. That's time you…

I might be an optimist, but I still have hopes that humanity might free itself with from the grunt work with full robotic automation and AI, and switch to a universal basic income model to provide for the needs of the people.

Re: Thousands of Turks accused of using Bylock app despite never having used it

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Post by mseebach » Mon, Jan 22, 2018, 1:43 PM UTC

tzahola wrote: post #6

Rjevski wrote: post #3

FTFY: a shitty government is putting people in jail. Even if we ignore the horrible government and bullshit reasons why they're considering installing an encrypted chat app a "crime", they should at least use proper evidence for the convictions, like a dump of the phone's memory with the chat app installed on it, and not a simple DNS lookup/HTTP request to the chat app's domain.

No, it was a single line of code. We should ban codes like this.

Oh, I guarantee you that the Turkish government agrees wholeheartedly and would very much like to speak with the perpetrators.

Re: Thousands of Turks accused of using Bylock app despite never having used it

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Post by 21 » Mon, Jan 22, 2018, 1:45 PM UTC

empath75 wrote: post #2

I’m pretty sure that it was the Turkish government who put hundreds of thousands of innocent Turks in jail. Installing chat software shouldn’t be a crime.

> Installing chat software shouldn’t be a crime.

I don't think you understand how repressive regimes work.

And I bet that on HN you'll find a lot of support for jailing people who install a let's say Nazi chat app on their phone.

Re: Thousands of Turks accused of using Bylock app despite never having used it

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Post by 21 » Mon, Jan 22, 2018, 1:46 PM UTC

uluyol wrote: post #10

As bad as this is, it does seem seem to be the status quo when it comes to forensic "science." I don't have any stats on hand, but it seems like more people are more worried about closing/winning cases than making sure they are not sending innocent people to jail.

Worse yet, many times the prosecutors find evidence that the accused is innocent, but they will still fight a appeals just to save face that they wrongly imprisoned someone.

Re: Thousands of Turks accused of using Bylock app despite never having used it

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Post by yorby » Mon, Jan 22, 2018, 1:50 PM UTC

Rjevski wrote: post #3

FTFY: a shitty government is putting people in jail. Even if we ignore the horrible government and bullshit reasons why they're considering installing an encrypted chat app a "crime", they should at least use proper evidence for the convictions, like a dump of the phone's memory with the chat app installed on it, and not a simple DNS lookup/HTTP request to the chat app's domain.

I thought that the American government had the worst ratio of free citizens/incarcerated citizens ...

Re: Thousands of Turks accused of using Bylock app despite never having used it

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Post by lovelearning » Mon, Jan 22, 2018, 1:53 PM UTC

integricho wrote: post #5

I find it very frustrating to read about such oppressive regimes. It fills me with anger, I cannot help myself, I just hate injustice.

Me too. I find it inexplicable that while our species has progressed so much after 6000 years of civilization, one thing that doesn't seem to have changed is the desire of large sections of people to be led by oppressive maniacs. It's almost like many of us just love handing away our freedoms. Have sociologists studied this phenomenon?

Re: Thousands of Turks accused of using Bylock app despite never having used it

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Post by acdha » Mon, Jan 22, 2018, 1:53 PM UTC

21 wrote: post #24

empath75 wrote: post #2

I’m pretty sure that it was the Turkish government who put hundreds of thousands of innocent Turks in jail. Installing chat software shouldn’t be a crime.

> Installing chat software shouldn’t be a crime. I don't think you understand how repressive regimes work. And I bet that on HN you'll find a lot of support for jailing people who install a let's say Nazi chat app on their phone.

> I bet that on HN you'll find a lot of support for jailing people who install a let's say Nazi chat app on their phone.

This is pure flame-bait and will not result in any positive contributions to this conversation.

Re: Thousands of Turks accused of using Bylock app despite never having used it

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Post by golergka » Mon, Jan 22, 2018, 1:55 PM UTC

sillysaurus3 wrote: post #16

integricho wrote: post #5

I find it very frustrating to read about such oppressive regimes. It fills me with anger, I cannot help myself, I just hate injustice.

Embrace it. Let's burn the world and rebuild. And replace it with our own unjust systems, ad infinitum. It's worth doing. The big will screw the small just because they can. But this always happens, everywhere. How does it feel being a slave to a paycheck and a career? It's such an ingrained concept that few people question why businesses are allowed to extract 10 hours of your life five days a week. That's time you…

> How does it feel being a slave to a paycheck and a career?

It feels pretty good to have ability to make decisions about your life and feel responsibility for them, actually - something that real slaves, term that you're horribly devaluate with this amount of ridiculous hyperbole, don't enjoy.

Re: Thousands of Turks accused of using Bylock app despite never having used it

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Post by SCHiM » Mon, Jan 22, 2018, 1:55 PM UTC

A dutch security company was asked to provide a technical review of the 'evidence'. Their conclusion: it sucks.

https://www.fox-it.com/en/insights/blogs/blog/fox-debunks-re...

> Overall, Fox-IT concluded that the quality of the MİT report is very low, especially when it was weighed against the legal consequences of the conclusions which is the detention of 75,000 Turkish citizens.