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List of oldest companies: Before 1300

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Re: List of oldest companies: Before 1300

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bianyifang in 1416 is the first Chinese Restaurant

The history says that restaurant was established in 1850s when the owners hired a chef from the original Bianyifang, and that the name was common amongst several restaurants. Sounds like a separate business to me.

Re: List of oldest companies: Before 1300

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post #114

The oldest name on this list that stood out to me is Weihenstephan brewery, founded in 1040 in Bavaria, Germany. They have some of the finest lagers I have ever tried. If you enjoy crisp, refreshing lager beers, I highly recommend their beers. My favorite one is probably the Weihenstephaner Hefeweissbier, followed by the Hefeweissbier Dunkel. Note: I am not affiliated in any way with the company, I just highly enjoy…

Lots of breweries. Belgian Abbeys; Grimbergen, Affligem... Can anyone opine on how similar today's beers might taste to how they did "back in the day?" I'm sure some of the beers are based on the original recipes, and with the Reinheitsgebot, it's fairly plausible that all of the ingredients in the German beers in particular are very similar. But I'm not sure how the process might have changed over the years, or how…

Doesn't make a sense to include Grimbergen and Affligem there, these are both owned by the same multinational (Heineken) and neither is still being brewed on site in the abbey.

Re: List of oldest companies: Before 1300

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I hate to rain on the parade, but many of the ancient Japanese inn entries are a bit dubious. They're mostly based on traveler's reports that there was an inn at X/a new hot spring was found at X in year Y being conflated with the fact that there's an inn at X now: they may well be the same, but it's hardly ironclad proof of continuous operation.

>>but it's hardly ironclad proof of continuous operation.

Beats the rest of the evidence, no? Also, we're not betting our lives in this...

Re: List of oldest companies: Before 1300

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post #155

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"Wealthy, advanced economies" is quite extensible concept. There are some small, not so wealthy countries on the list. No real correlation here. And if you are wondering, why Nigeria is not on the list — well, isn't it obvious? I mean, even if the country was very successful during its history, but barely keeping on the float right now — probably the 1000 y.o. family business wouldn't be currently active as well.

All the countries on the list are OECD members, and Poland is the only one that was not a member prior to the end of the cold war.

Latvia and Slovakia entered after Poland, for instance. Won't check the rest.

And, anyways, does OECD membership really account for something? Who is not a OECD member nowdays? African countries? Well, I believe it isn't a surprise for you there aren't many known thousand-year-old businesses there (there hardly is a "thousand-year-old history" at all, same as South America), and this is not entirely related to a country doing well right now. I bet you don't consider Latvia currently doing better than Arab Emirates, for example.

Basically, most of these old businesses are either in Europe or Japan. I'm only surprised that China, SK and Russia are not on the list, but you can find explanations for that. And whats left are, basically, "countries w/o history".

So, no, I don't believe you could find a causal relationship here, unless you are basically making it up.

Re: List of oldest companies: Before 1300

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post #16

Wow, this web page looks like it hasn't been updated since 1439: http://www.luebeckaltstadthotel.de/

>>Wow, this web page looks like it hasn't been updated since 1439

Can't be, internet wasn't created until the 17th century.

On the other hand, all the relevant info is there. Maybe looking "old" is by design, being a very old hotel and all?

Re: List of oldest companies: Before 1300

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The US were founded in 1787, Columbus reached America in 1492, so how do you expect to find companies there older than that?

Right, obviously they're not going to be in the New World. The question is why those countries, of all the ones in the Old World? There's very little in France, the UK, Norway, Albania, India, Syria, and a heck of a lot of other places with thousands of years of history.

> France

Two total wars (WW1 and WW2, plus numerous other invasions and revolutions).

> the UK,

has 10 of the list, not sure how many you're expecting

> Norway,

Population only 5 million. Considerable famine in 1690s.

> Albania

Italian occupation in WW2.

> India

British occupation

> Syria

French then British occupation, then Ba'ath, with coups.

> and a heck of a lot of other places with thousands of years of history.

Mostly lots of invasions. Britain hasn't been invaded since 1066. Japan has had plenty of wars but no serious land occupation since the Mongols.

Re: List of oldest companies: Before 1300

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post #120

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Yeah; it's a relatively large place though, so maybe some of the companies were in areas that didn't get quite so beat up in various wars?

Maybe. But then why would there be more in Germany than, say, the U.K.? Or Italy?

The UK has never seen pubs as being worthy of preservation until more recently. If you look at the list that's what survives centuries.

We'd do quite well if the list was 'stately homes'.

Re: List of oldest companies: Before 1300

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post #64

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Beer nazi here... Hefeweizen/weissbier is not a lager. Lagers are cold bottom-fermented beers. Hefeweizen is warm top-fermented beer.

Also the reason as to why so many new microbreweries tend to brew ales rather than lagers. Ales are much more temperamental and can be fermented at around room temperature thereby making homebrewing much more accessible.

Wouldn't that make ales less temperamental?

Re: List of oldest companies: Before 1300

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>Beer nazi You may want to reconsider this phrasing.

When I write this minikites is downvoted for no good reason. As much as I support freedom of speech I also think it's unwise to normalize nazism. Reminding people not to normalize nazism isn't something one should be downvoted for in my book.

I have the impression that there's also a cultural aspect. People from different parts of the world have noticeably different responses to such jokes. Lots of them are on HN and, not realizing who's who or what the gap is between them, each tends to think the other obviously wrong and/or an asshole.

Re: List of oldest companies: Before 1300

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post #174

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All the countries on the list are OECD members, and Poland is the only one that was not a member prior to the end of the cold war.

Latvia and Slovakia entered after Poland, for instance. Won't check the rest. And, anyways, does OECD membership really account for something? Who is not a OECD member nowdays? African countries? Well, I believe it isn't a surprise for you there aren't many known thousand-year-old businesses there (there hardly is a "thousand-year-old history" at all, same as South America), and this is not entirely related to a coun…

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