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CIA rendition flights from rustic North Carolina called to account by citizens

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Re: CIA rendition flights from rustic North Carolina called to account by citizens

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Post by mieseratte »

IIAOPSW wrote: post #4

That's real optimistic of the Guardian but somehow I doubt there's all that much grass roots support against rendition flights. We live in an age where "Muslim ban" sounds like appropriate policy to about half the population. In Democracy the people get the government they deserve. Guess we really don't deserve human rights and habeus corpus.

> We live in an age where "Muslim ban" sounds like appropriate policy to about half the population.

When has someone pushed for a "Muslim ban" in the United States?

Re: CIA rendition flights from rustic North Carolina called to account by citizens

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Post by ComradeTaco »

mieseratte wrote: post #21
IIAOPSW wrote: post #4

That's real optimistic of the Guardian but somehow I doubt there's all that much grass roots support against rendition flights. We live in an age where "Muslim ban" sounds like appropriate policy to about half the population. In Democracy the people get the government they deserve. Guess we really don't deserve human rights and habeus corpus.

> We live in an age where "Muslim ban" sounds like appropriate policy to about half the population. When has someone pushed for a "Muslim ban" in the United States?

Donald Trump.

"I'll tell you the whole history of it," Giuliani said, as transcribed by The Washington Post. "So when (Trump) first announced it, he said, 'Muslim ban.' He called me up. He said, 'Put a commission together. Show me the right way to do it legally.'"

[1]http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/06/politics/trump-muslim-ban-trav...

Re: CIA rendition flights from rustic North Carolina called to account by citizens

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Post by TallGuyShort »

mieseratte wrote: post #21
IIAOPSW wrote: post #4

That's real optimistic of the Guardian but somehow I doubt there's all that much grass roots support against rendition flights. We live in an age where "Muslim ban" sounds like appropriate policy to about half the population. In Democracy the people get the government they deserve. Guess we really don't deserve human rights and habeus corpus.

> We live in an age where "Muslim ban" sounds like appropriate policy to about half the population. When has someone pushed for a "Muslim ban" in the United States?

While Trump's immigration policy was not actually a Muslim ban and was actually very similar to some of Obama's policies, a quick scan of my Facebook feed indicates that there are plenty of conservatives who actually do want a "Muslim ban" and believe that there's a significant movement to overthrow the government and institute Shariah Law in the U.S.

Re: CIA rendition flights from rustic North Carolina called to account by citizens

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Post by zerocrates »

TallGuyShort wrote: post #23
mieseratte wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We live in an age where "Muslim ban" sounds like appropriate policy to about half the population. When has someone pushed for a "Muslim ban" in the United States?

While Trump's immigration policy was not actually a Muslim ban and was actually very similar to some of Obama's policies, a quick scan of my Facebook feed indicates that there are plenty of conservatives who actually do want a "Muslim ban" and believe that there's a significant movement to overthrow the government and institute Shariah Law in the U.S.

He called for a "total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States." The fact that he didn't actually do that because of its manifest illegality is somewhat beside the point.

Re: CIA rendition flights from rustic North Carolina called to account by citizens

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Post by alsetmusic »

mieseratte wrote: post #21
IIAOPSW wrote: post #4

That's real optimistic of the Guardian but somehow I doubt there's all that much grass roots support against rendition flights. We live in an age where "Muslim ban" sounds like appropriate policy to about half the population. In Democracy the people get the government they deserve. Guess we really don't deserve human rights and habeus corpus.

> We live in an age where "Muslim ban" sounds like appropriate policy to about half the population. When has someone pushed for a "Muslim ban" in the United States?

> When has someone pushed for a "Muslim ban" in the United States?

Right here:

“Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on.”

Source: https://web.archive.org/web/20161207195544/https://www.donal...

Re: CIA rendition flights from rustic North Carolina called to account by citizens

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Post by dgzl »

knz wrote: post #18
IIAOPSW wrote: post #4

That's real optimistic of the Guardian but somehow I doubt there's all that much grass roots support against rendition flights. We live in an age where "Muslim ban" sounds like appropriate policy to about half the population. In Democracy the people get the government they deserve. Guess we really don't deserve human rights and habeus corpus.

> We live in an age where "Muslim ban" sounds like appropriate policy to about half the population. In Democracy the people get the government they deserve. Guess we really don't deserve human rights and habeus corpus. So speak up. Educate your fellow citizens as to why these issues are important. Break through their media bubble/snowglobe and have multiple meaningful conversations that go deeper than the talking poi…

I used to be highly political on Facebook. From my experience, people just don't care.

Re: CIA rendition flights from rustic North Carolina called to account by citizens

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Post by astronautjones »

dgzl wrote: post #26
knz wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We live in an age where "Muslim ban" sounds like appropriate policy to about half the population. In Democracy the people get the government they deserve. Guess we really don't deserve human rights and habeus corpus. So speak up. Educate your fellow citizens as to why these issues are important. Break through their media bubble/snowglobe and have multiple meaningful conversations that go deeper than the talking poi…

I used to be highly political on Facebook. From my experience, people just don't care.

Do it in reality

Re: CIA rendition flights from rustic North Carolina called to account by citizens

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Post by matte_black »

maxxxxx wrote: post #8

The value systems of the people running this must be severely distorted. Can't torture at home so let's fly people to some dictatorship to get it done there. I guess it's the same mindset that caused a democratically elected president in Iran to be overthrown and replaced by a dictator in order to save freedom and democracy.

I wouldn’t say it’s their value system, rather it’s a result of the enormous pressure they face. Torture should only be used as a last resort, and when there’s no other hope of getting information that is needed ASAP.

Re: CIA rendition flights from rustic North Carolina called to account by citizens

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Post by narrowingorbits »

matte_black wrote: post #28
maxxxxx wrote: post #8

The value systems of the people running this must be severely distorted. Can't torture at home so let's fly people to some dictatorship to get it done there. I guess it's the same mindset that caused a democratically elected president in Iran to be overthrown and replaced by a dictator in order to save freedom and democracy.

I wouldn’t say it’s their value system, rather it’s a result of the enormous pressure they face. Torture should only be used as a last resort, and when there’s no other hope of getting information that is needed ASAP.

What you describe there is a broken and unusable value system.

Re: CIA rendition flights from rustic North Carolina called to account by citizens

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Post by maxxxxx »

matte_black wrote: post #28
maxxxxx wrote: post #8

The value systems of the people running this must be severely distorted. Can't torture at home so let's fly people to some dictatorship to get it done there. I guess it's the same mindset that caused a democratically elected president in Iran to be overthrown and replaced by a dictator in order to save freedom and democracy.

I wouldn’t say it’s their value system, rather it’s a result of the enormous pressure they face. Torture should only be used as a last resort, and when there’s no other hope of getting information that is needed ASAP.

It's the value system. Either you follow the laws and values of your country always or you don't. You can't protect values by violating them.
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