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CIA rendition flights from rustic North Carolina called to account by citizens

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Re: CIA rendition flights from rustic North Carolina called to account by citizens

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post #8

The value systems of the people running this must be severely distorted. Can't torture at home so let's fly people to some dictatorship to get it done there. I guess it's the same mindset that caused a democratically elected president in Iran to be overthrown and replaced by a dictator in order to save freedom and democracy.

It is the same value system that created Guantanamo Bay Prison.

Yep. Forgot to mention that.

Re: CIA rendition flights from rustic North Carolina called to account by citizens

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This of course will get little traction on a site where all of the 'thought leaders' are employed or bribed by the same intelligence agencies these people have a problem with. #edit flag away you echo-chamber loving fools of anti-intellectualism. I bet more people register to view my flagged comment than do to engage in the farce of a comment board you Marxist fools run.

> on a site where all of the 'thought leaders' are employed or bribed by the same intelligence agencies these people have a problem with. [Checks leaderboard; I'm still there at #27] Clearly, there has been an oversight. The intelligence officials responsible for employment and bribes should contact me at their earliest convenience to correct this.

How pedantic of you. #27 places you well outside the bounds, sorry.

Re: CIA rendition flights from rustic North Carolina called to account by citizens

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This of course will get little traction on a site where all of the 'thought leaders' are employed or bribed by the same intelligence agencies these people have a problem with. #edit flag away you echo-chamber loving fools of anti-intellectualism. I bet more people register to view my flagged comment than do to engage in the farce of a comment board you Marxist fools run.

> on a site where all of the 'thought leaders' are employed or bribed by the same intelligence agencies these people have a problem with. [Checks leaderboard; I'm still there at #27] Clearly, there has been an oversight. The intelligence officials responsible for employment and bribes should contact me at their earliest convenience to correct this.

This is how I feel about being Jewish. I’m still waiting for the International Zionist Elders or Cabal or something to give me a shout. But no, nothing after all these years :(

Re: CIA rendition flights from rustic North Carolina called to account by citizens

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Which is worse: torture or killing? It seems that with all the attention that torture got, the Obama administration basically stopped trying to capture people alive to interrogate them and instead just sent drone based missiles to just kill anyone suspected of terrorism.

Re: CIA rendition flights from rustic North Carolina called to account by citizens

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> on a site where all of the 'thought leaders' are employed or bribed by the same intelligence agencies these people have a problem with. [Checks leaderboard; I'm still there at #27] Clearly, there has been an oversight. The intelligence officials responsible for employment and bribes should contact me at their earliest convenience to correct this.

This is how I feel about being Jewish. I’m still waiting for the International Zionist Elders or Cabal or something to give me a shout. But no, nothing after all these years :(

Even evil elites understand the need to be able to have a good-faith conversation. You're too used to addressing the internet karma as opposed to the individual. Yours is a meta-conversation held by meta-people. Unsuitable for anything other than being a tool for the elite. Carry on.

Re: CIA rendition flights from rustic North Carolina called to account by citizens

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Which is worse: torture or killing? It seems that with all the attention that torture got, the Obama administration basically stopped trying to capture people alive to interrogate them and instead just sent drone based missiles to just kill anyone suspected of terrorism.

Torture. Army's are trained to kill not Torture for very good reasons.

Re: CIA rendition flights from rustic North Carolina called to account by citizens

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Which is worse: torture or killing? It seems that with all the attention that torture got, the Obama administration basically stopped trying to capture people alive to interrogate them and instead just sent drone based missiles to just kill anyone suspected of terrorism.

If we limit ourselves to those two options, I believe torture is worse. Or can be. There is no end to the horrors when you intentionally keep someone alive to make them suffer at your whim, vs. killing them in one fell swoop.

Torture exposes the blackest parts of our humanity in a way that droning someone never could.

Re: CIA rendition flights from rustic North Carolina called to account by citizens

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post #4

That's real optimistic of the Guardian but somehow I doubt there's all that much grass roots support against rendition flights. We live in an age where "Muslim ban" sounds like appropriate policy to about half the population. In Democracy the people get the government they deserve. Guess we really don't deserve human rights and habeus corpus.

> We live in an age where "Muslim ban" sounds like appropriate policy to about half the population. In Democracy the people get the government they deserve. Guess we really don't deserve human rights and habeus corpus.

So speak up. Educate your fellow citizens as to why these issues are important. Break through their media bubble/snowglobe and have multiple meaningful conversations that go deeper than the talking points spewed out by media personalities. Much of the country is purple not red and blue - if you can have a respectful conversation with someone you can find common ground on these issues.

And show up on election day.

The First Amendment exists for a reason - "we get the government we deserve" applies to those of us who chose to stay informed as well if we don't respond to the challenges of the day.

Re: CIA rendition flights from rustic North Carolina called to account by citizens

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post #18
post #4

That's real optimistic of the Guardian but somehow I doubt there's all that much grass roots support against rendition flights. We live in an age where "Muslim ban" sounds like appropriate policy to about half the population. In Democracy the people get the government they deserve. Guess we really don't deserve human rights and habeus corpus.

> We live in an age where "Muslim ban" sounds like appropriate policy to about half the population. In Democracy the people get the government they deserve. Guess we really don't deserve human rights and habeus corpus. So speak up. Educate your fellow citizens as to why these issues are important. Break through their media bubble/snowglobe and have multiple meaningful conversations that go deeper than the talking poi…

>So speak up. Educate your fellow citizens as to why these issues are important. Break through their media bubble/snowglobe and have multiple meaningful conversations that go deeper than the talking points spewed out by media personalities.

Have you ever actually gotten that to work? Have you personally ever changed a single persons mind? Not trying to be facetious, but I'm incredulous.

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