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Bitcoin Fall Extends to 25% as Fears of Crackdown Linger

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Re: Bitcoin Fall Extends to 25% as Fears of Crackdown Linger

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I think it decentralizes account fees, lending, term deposits, funds, everything. It turns the traditional banking model on its head because anyone can "become a bank" and handle the traditional "keep your money safe" model that banking was originally created for. Those getting paid for transactions will be those investing in the network infrastructure - which is also decentralized, because again - anyone can jump in…

"Anyone can become a bank" isn't a good thing. What stops people at the moment is the requirement to be regulated. Compliance with that regulation costs money and is a barrier to entry but a necessary one. Your "only downside" is enormous! I'd never consider paying my salary or keeping my savings in an organisation that has no regulation. My money could just disappear overnight. You add that I could put 1% of the acc…

That was just an example, it may be larger - it may be smaller depending on the amount you hold. I assume it'd be less than current fees you pay to hold accounts, make transactions, margins paid in FX. I'm thinking aloud, and I totally get the "why would I do that when I can use something that's existing and trusted".. But think about the early days of banking.

We've seen entire banks collapse and people lose their money in the past decade alone. The early days of banking was rife with fraud and scams.

I don't expect this to change in the short-term, however think about the convenience you'd see on day-to-day banking and how fast new features could be developed compared with our current banking system. Even if you only held a very small amount in a "new bank" and "currency" and kept you significant savings and assets in a traditional bank, I could see this slowly chipping away at existing banking services very quickly once a consensus on currency is reached within a community.

Re: Bitcoin Fall Extends to 25% as Fears of Crackdown Linger

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You would call it an investment, if the USD-YEN prices are so volatile and give you 1000X profit in 6 months. Again, this all goes back to whether Bitcoin is a store of value or a medium of exchange. By now it's very clear, it can't be medium of exchange.

And what good is a store of value if it's not a medium of exchange and its value is incredibly volatile (and doesn't have some sort of intrinsic industrial value like a metal might)?

Like... stock in any company?

Re: Bitcoin Fall Extends to 25% as Fears of Crackdown Linger

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The last time China explicitly banned Bitcoin, it dropped by around 45% to around $6000. It went on to $20K from there. But what's different this time is that there are first time investors in millions who joined in the last 2 months. They didn't read the white paper, they didn't invest in technology, they invested for the monster returns. So I think there will be a more sell off this time before it rebounds back to…

I love bitcoin and cryptocurrency as potential solutions to problems with gov-controlled currencies (I've used crypto to buy drugs, for example). But I'm still confused why people refer to purchasing currency as an "investment." Obviously the rates are going up now, but doesn't everyone expect them to just come back down? I don't convert my USD to Yen and call it an "investment."

Well you might not call converting USD to yen an investment, there are some people that do. That is some people's job. It isn't that much didn't than investing in the stock market

Re: Bitcoin Fall Extends to 25% as Fears of Crackdown Linger

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The last time China explicitly banned Bitcoin, it dropped by around 45% to around $6000. It went on to $20K from there. But what's different this time is that there are first time investors in millions who joined in the last 2 months. They didn't read the white paper, they didn't invest in technology, they invested for the monster returns. So I think there will be a more sell off this time before it rebounds back to…

No way. Some of them did the smart thing BTFD.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4v8rLEI4Pg

Re: Bitcoin Fall Extends to 25% as Fears of Crackdown Linger

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When the demand for USDT shrinks, will they also do quantative uneasing? As in buying back USDTs to the extend the value of one USDT cannot drop below $1? I do not think they will, because I do not think they can...

Essentially, this is what interest rates and the bond market is for.

Please explain. I think you are not aware of what USDT (Tether) is, but that's just my quick judgement.

Re: Bitcoin Fall Extends to 25% as Fears of Crackdown Linger

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The last time China explicitly banned Bitcoin, it dropped by around 45% to around $6000. It went on to $20K from there. But what's different this time is that there are first time investors in millions who joined in the last 2 months. They didn't read the white paper, they didn't invest in technology, they invested for the monster returns. So I think there will be a more sell off this time before it rebounds back to…

I love bitcoin and cryptocurrency as potential solutions to problems with gov-controlled currencies (I've used crypto to buy drugs, for example). But I'm still confused why people refer to purchasing currency as an "investment." Obviously the rates are going up now, but doesn't everyone expect them to just come back down? I don't convert my USD to Yen and call it an "investment."

That is because those currencies are inflationary. Without a moderate interest rate, putting it in the bank wouldn't even be considered "saving".

Re: Bitcoin Fall Extends to 25% as Fears of Crackdown Linger

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And what good is a store of value if it's not a medium of exchange and its value is incredibly volatile (and doesn't have some sort of intrinsic industrial value like a metal might)?

Like... stock in any company?

Companies usually have assets, like buildings, real estate, etc.

Re: Bitcoin Fall Extends to 25% as Fears of Crackdown Linger

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I love bitcoin and cryptocurrency as potential solutions to problems with gov-controlled currencies (I've used crypto to buy drugs, for example). But I'm still confused why people refer to purchasing currency as an "investment." Obviously the rates are going up now, but doesn't everyone expect them to just come back down? I don't convert my USD to Yen and call it an "investment."

You would call it an investment, if the USD-YEN prices are so volatile and give you 1000X profit in 6 months. Again, this all goes back to whether Bitcoin is a store of value or a medium of exchange. By now it's very clear, it can't be medium of exchange.

Arbitrage is not investment

Re: Bitcoin Fall Extends to 25% as Fears of Crackdown Linger

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I woould like people to start using the word 'currencies' because they are not. Following Investopedia 'Currency is a generally accepted form of money, including coins and paper notes, which is issued by a government and circulated within an economy. Used as a medium of exchange for goods and services, currency is the basis for trade.' crypto is not generally accepted form of money; not issued by a government; circul…

I feel like the first two aspects - "generally accepted, issued by a government" are unnecessary. If someone will take it as a medium for exchange, then that's currency to me. I always thought of it as "otherwise value-less representation of value." All the currency I can think of fits this definition - including gold! Gold is only really valuable recently for circuits and the like.

Point taken. However, another important aspect is that currencies around the wolrd fulfill the same functions whereas when it comes to crypto - each token will represent anything that the creator intended it to be PLUS what the community uses it for (e.g. store of value). And each token will have a different 'design', different functions - from being tokens to enter the platform (e.g. Ethereuem itself) to tokens representing fractual ownership in assets (e.g. Maecenas art tokens or our RAT tokens representing a rat mascot, more about it here: https://medium.com/@katdum/what-did-i-learn-from-tokenizing-...). So there will be coins that will be fulfilling the descirption of a currency (apart from the government requirement) but there will be only a few ones compared to the vast amount of tokens with different functions.
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