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Do you also consider separate men and women's bathrooms prejudicial and sexist?
As defined by merriam-webster.com I certainly do. Why do we consider all sexism bad?
Leap: An Online Community for Women
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#122Can someone help me understand how this site is not sexist and discriminatory against men?
You know how right now you're offended, and feeling left out just because of your gender? That's how some women in tech feel all the time. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16160940
If some women feel that way anyway, are you suggesting that making more people feel that way helps or makes it not sexist?
Tech pushes many people out, male and female. Even if the men in tech are the same, what about the men who would like to be in tech but were pushed out? Or are all men the same?
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#123Can someone help me understand how this site is not sexist and discriminatory against men?
You know how right now you're offended, and feeling left out just because of your gender? That's how some women in tech feel all the time. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16160940
Should we also end racial violence by increasing racial violence?
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#124Hi! I'm the creator of Leap. Glad to answer questions here.
Are transgender females allowed?
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> This assumption completely disregards the measurable advantage men have in the tech community. There is obviously an imbalance in the industry, but can you please provide proof that this is due to an advantage that men have? > If you have identical programs, one for a historically disenfranchised group, and one for the group that's been in power for decades, only one of those programs is shitty. Why would fighting…
>Why would fighting racism with racism or sexism with sexism be a productive method of correcting imbalances? Wouldn't that just fuel and maintain the disdain between groups? Is this the "all lives matter!" response to this project? It's not a crime to point out that some groups are poorly represented in an industry. Are you saying the solution to "hey, women feel isolated in the tech industry" is to say "Well, let's…
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#126If you have never done this before, let me suggest that if you like the culture it currently has, you need to be really leery of making significant changes, such as deciding you will welcome men at some point after starting out as exclusively female.
I have been a member of predominantly female groups. If there is a single man in them, they fail to be some kind of female empowerment zone. He will have the largest influence any time he posts and he will be backed by vicious female allies who will have a huge problem with any woman standing up to him. It is bizarre stuff.
The one group I briefly belonged to that was initially exclusively female due to happenstance promptly crashed and burned when the first man joined. After ugly stuff went down, the list basically died. It was eventually disbanded, even though he quickly left because of the drama. The group never recovered from the debacle.
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#127I'm a woman that's worked in tech since 2011... at times the discrimination and treatment I've faced has made me want to quit the industry all together. But every time I reached that point I thought - no, I'm not the one who should have to leave, it's the people -- usually men -- who have not shown empathy, kindness or compassion. The ones who have bullied me and harassed me and made inappropriate comments or advance…
I really wish your experience was unique. A colleague was groped. She didn't report it. It would have likely diminished her future prospects. A friend was asked out on dates, unsolicited, multiple times by coworkers. She just had to laugh it off. Women at a previous employment reported not being taken as seriously as men in meetings, and being passed over for promotions in favour of less qualified men. A friend repor…
It can be a similar experience for men (although it's definitely not something talked about). I've had a female coworker walk up behind me repeatedly and give me unsolicited back rubs and ask me if I wanted to go to an empty office. I've been flirted with and hit on repeatedly. I've had a group of women at work, some of whom were in positions of power, socially shun me because I wasn't romantically interested in one of their friends, another coworker.
Most of this happened when I was younger, and I probably would respond differently now that I have more experience (I just kept my mouth shut back then). But, I still can't help but feel that I wouldn't be taken as seriously by HR, because I'm a man.
I'd like to see us move past the current narrative of "Men do this to Women" and get to a place where we recognize that People shouldn't do this to other People.
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I'll go straight to the difficult questions: 1. I thought gender-based discrimination was illegal. How is Leap not illegal? 2. One of the main objections of "gentleman's clubs" was that their (male) members had access to important networking contacts, putting women in unequal foot in an unfair way when it came to businesses. Wouldn't Leap be unfair in the same way?
I am interested in the answers to these tough questions as well. I can sympathize with the position women are in and can understand the strong desire to form an organization like Leap. To that end, I applaud and support them. However, I do wonder about comments like this: > "a community where the core culture was set by women, and the software and product decisions were also made by women" Progressives are currently…
If someone wants to make an argument about equality, one needs to also consider the concept of a safe haven. If a specific type of people are a threat to the safety and well being of a community, the community should have the option to disallow that type of people altogether without being subject to "social justice" pedantry. Condominiums can bar entry to homeless people on the grounds of vandalism prevention and that's perfectly legal and accepted. I don't see how this is much different.