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Re: Cryptocurrencies are collapsing

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3. Because US dollars work fine

Only if you are in/from the US with a US credit/debit card. Otherwise the fees alone should make you stop using them.

Rubbish. I live in the EU and buy stuff from the States on a semi regular basis. Shipping costs are usually the deciding factor, card fees are insignificant.

Re: Cryptocurrencies are collapsing

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Intrinsic value of Cryptocurrency is 0. Period.

So is a piece of paper with fancy printing on it that says ONE HUNDRED DOLLARS.

Currency is an abstraction. It is a social contract to value something at a certain level. That contract is enforced at the highest levels in our county which is why it works so well.

But make no mistake, $100 can buy stuff because only because we all agree to value it at about the same level. If the government collapses, that piece of paper's only worth is how much warmth it will give you when you set it on fire.

Re: Cryptocurrencies are collapsing

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A confluence of factors: 1. China cracking down harder: https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2018/01/16/business/16reuter... 2. South Korea cut off access to banks by cryptocurrency exchanges in December, and access to exchanges by foreign traders. As a result the prices in the country spiked, and the largest price aggregator CoinMarketCap removed Korean exchanges from the index because they were skewing the averages. Thi…

> 3. Indonesia just banned cryptocurrency transactions, stating only their native currency is legal tender.

Nitpick:

Butcoin is not, to my knowledge, legal tender anywhere. What Indonesia has done is declare that all transactions in Indonesia must be denominated in rupiah. This is far more restrictive than most Weatern nations where private parties may accept anything they want as payment, but must accept legal tender in certain circumstances.

Re: Cryptocurrencies are collapsing

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A confluence of factors: 1. China cracking down harder: https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2018/01/16/business/16reuter... 2. South Korea cut off access to banks by cryptocurrency exchanges in December, and access to exchanges by foreign traders. As a result the prices in the country spiked, and the largest price aggregator CoinMarketCap removed Korean exchanges from the index because they were skewing the averages. Thi…

> 3. Indonesia just banned cryptocurrency transactions, stating only their native currency is legal tender. Nitpick: Butcoin is not, to my knowledge, legal tender anywhere. What Indonesia has done is declare that all transactions in Indonesia must be denominated in rupiah. This is far more restrictive than most Weatern nations where private parties may accept anything they want as payment, but must accept legal tende…

> but must accept legal tender in certain circumstances.

That's not what legal tender means in the UK and the misunderstanding causes some problems.

If I have a debt, and I attempt to pay in legal tender, and my creditor refuses to take it, I can say I've discharged the debt.

It has no use, in the UK, when I'm buying stuff in a shop.

http://edu.bankofengland.co.uk/knowledgebank/what-is-legal-t...

Re: Cryptocurrencies are collapsing

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In other words, I could spend an hour exerting effort and have nothing of value to show for it at the end?

That's obvious... You can work for a year and still get nothing... Because your work has no value in and of itself. In general things are only as valuable as the "market" is willing to pay for them.

> That's obvious

Sure, I was agreeing / checking my understanding was correct :)

Re: Cryptocurrencies are collapsing

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Isn't that just exactly the same as 'hype', in the opposite direction? Clearly the logical approach is neither to follow the hype, nor shy away from it, but to ignore it altogether.

Not quite. We see ordinary people "invest" in what we perceive as gambling at best and a scam at worst and are infuriated by how various people, media etc are egging them on. The Washington Post had it right in 2015 even though they didn't even use the neologism "hodl": > - Hey, do you want to hear about the future? It's a digital currency called Bitcoin that lets you spend or move your money online without paying an…

> Well, Bitcoin saves you money by making transactions irreversible

How does it do that? Irreversible transactions allow the currency to be decentralised, but I don't think they were even intended to be a means of saving money.

> So ... if I get scammed, I got scammed? There's nothing I can do about it?

Cash has much the same problem.

Re: Cryptocurrencies are collapsing

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In my book, 2140 isn't "very soon" (based on the current Bitcoin mining algos).

The last 1% of unmined Bitcoin will last over 100 years. A majority of mining profits at that point will be from tx fees.

Sure, but "only" !== "majority".

Re: Cryptocurrencies are collapsing

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It’s amazing how many people are against crypto currencies for some odd reason. A correction is being called a collapse, this is just pathetic.

I'm against cryptos in their current form. It was better, and hopefully it will get better, but now it's a mess. Investors, buzzwords, hype, ...

The only news site I use to evaluate cryptocurrencies is GitHub, and in the Bitcoin repo I see only improvements, no buzzwords/hype

Re: Cryptocurrencies are collapsing

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post #97

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Not quite. We see ordinary people "invest" in what we perceive as gambling at best and a scam at worst and are infuriated by how various people, media etc are egging them on. The Washington Post had it right in 2015 even though they didn't even use the neologism "hodl": > - Hey, do you want to hear about the future? It's a digital currency called Bitcoin that lets you spend or move your money online without paying an…

> Well, Bitcoin saves you money by making transactions irreversible How does it do that? Irreversible transactions allow the currency to be decentralised, but I don't think they were even intended to be a means of saving money. > So ... if I get scammed, I got scammed? There's nothing I can do about it? Cash has much the same problem.

Actually there are legal repercussions, and in the case of disasters like fires the federal government will actually replace your cash. Planet money had a great episode on this https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2017/06/30/535062249/epis...

Re: Cryptocurrencies are collapsing

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Just to clarify the Bloomberg article: OTC/P2P trading is not banned in China, but match-making services are more similar to a private exchanges. It's those match-making services that are now being targetted in China. It's about unlicensed trading, not about blockchain / tokens.

NEO = REGULATION

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