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Bill and Melinda Gates Are Paying Off Nigeria's $76M Debt to Japan

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Re: Bill and Melinda Gates Are Paying Off Nigeria's $76M Debt to Japan

#91

I hope they'll bail us out when it comes back to the US due to the lack of vaccinations. -In no way meant to belittle what they did. I think what they do is awesome. Just being sarcastic about vaccinations in the US.

The US has a 93% polio vaccination rate. What are you talking about?

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6334a1.htm

Re: Bill and Melinda Gates Are Paying Off Nigeria's $76M Debt to Japan

#92

The problem is a charity paying off your debt does not make your credit better. While its slightly better than a writeoff/forgiveness because the creditor isn't as angry, it still shows they can't pay back loans. Is a future creditor going to count on a charity showing up to pay them off?

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Re: Bill and Melinda Gates Are Paying Off Nigeria's $76M Debt to Japan

#93
post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

as a minority immigrant from a shithole country, i find this opinion condescending and racist. please use whatever adjective you would use for any other race - i don't need my sensitive minority ears protected by an up-to-the-minute adjective whitelist, thanks.

your appeal to authority is naked

his fake offense on behalf of others is a faux pas. its a common term. we can't use "shit hole" because some people recently decided that was the case?

Re: Bill and Melinda Gates Are Paying Off Nigeria's $76M Debt to Japan

#94
post #60

To all the commenters too busy being aghast at giving money to a government to read the article: > Nigeria’s debt to Japan is the result of Overseas Development Assistance (ODA) provided by the Japanese government in 2014 for increased polio eradication. efforts. > The country has made great strides in its efforts to eliminate the disease thanks to this funding. > Nigeria did not record a wild case of polio from July…

>Money well spent. There have been human costs too, http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/09/world/africa/in-nigeria-po... Of the nine vaccination workers killed, "Most of the victims were women and were shot in the back of the head"

That doesn’t seem immediately relevant, could you explain why you mentioned it here?

Re: Bill and Melinda Gates Are Paying Off Nigeria's $76M Debt to Japan

#95
post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This was a loan, possibly from the taxpayers, it wasn't charity. Governments don't just "lose track" of $76 million owed to them. Or at least, they shouldn't. Presumably, Nigeria agreed to the terms, so I don't see the issue.

I'm sure Nigeria did agree to the terms, but if I were a citizen of Japan I would be embarrassed that the money was not just gifted as part of a foreign aid program.

To play devils advocate, maybe a Nigerian citizen would consider it a point of national pride to repay their debt?

Re: Bill and Melinda Gates Are Paying Off Nigeria's $76M Debt to Japan

#96

To all the commenters too busy being aghast at giving money to a government to read the article: > Nigeria’s debt to Japan is the result of Overseas Development Assistance (ODA) provided by the Japanese government in 2014 for increased polio eradication. efforts. > The country has made great strides in its efforts to eliminate the disease thanks to this funding. > Nigeria did not record a wild case of polio from July…

The thing that's weird to me is that an economy the size of Japan would even keep track of such a thing. The Japanese government could find that kind of money in the couch cushions in the name of humanitarian aid.

You could say the same for Gates or the US. Or hell, Nigeria... 75m is The answer lies in that it's always a political struggle to appropriate tens of millions of dollars, even if it's a tiny fraction of the whole. Hell, if I ask most people in my apartment building about their attitudes towards us spending 100 million or 100 billion on helping a different country, virtually nobody will really answer much differently. That surprised me a lot, but people just register something in millions or billions as a 'big number', and are either for or against on the basis of their attitude towards things like international development, or their stereotypes of or cultural affinity with the recipient country.

There's actually a lot of studies on people's perceptions on the amount that we give, and virtually all countries vastly overestimate (like, by an order of magnitude) the amount we give. It's not really a matter of numbers, it's just a matter of perceptions, they're political, knowing that it doesn't seem weird at all to me that Japanese officials can't simply get away with doing the right thing. It's really sad.

[0] for example point 1: People are often under the impression that a lot more is spent on foreign aid than it actually is. The average guess of US citizens estimates is that around 31% of the Federal Budget is spent on aid. In fact the US spends less than 1% of the Federal Budget on foreign aid.

https://www.givingwhatwecan.org/get-involved/myths-about-aid...

And this has been found in studies in tons of western countries. It's pretty pathetic how wrong people get this if you think about it.

Re: Bill and Melinda Gates Are Paying Off Nigeria's $76M Debt to Japan

#97
post #21

I'm I the only one who thinks that Japan kinda looks bad here? I mean, Bill's foundation is already dedicating $3B a year on development assistance, couldn't Japan just say to Nigeria: "You don't have to pay us back. Consider it a donation". How could they reasonably expect Nigeria to pay them back $76M?

It's possible that Japan are providing other aid[1] (which they don't seek repayment for), but this was under different terms.

[1] I'm trying to find their foreign aid info, but not having much luck on finding figures...

Re: Bill and Melinda Gates Are Paying Off Nigeria's $76M Debt to Japan

#98
post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Money well spent. There have been human costs too, http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/09/world/africa/in-nigeria-po... Of the nine vaccination workers killed, "Most of the victims were women and were shot in the back of the head"

That doesn’t seem immediately relevant, could you explain why you mentioned it here?

Might be irrelevant per HN guidelines.

I took it as a reminder that doing something good may require not only exceptional courage, but one's life. I'm ok with the off-topic aspect of the post.

I continue to be amazed and grateful we have such people.

Re: Bill and Melinda Gates Are Paying Off Nigeria's $76M Debt to Japan

#99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It wasn't the last time. Pakistan is an extremely large nation with 40+ years of substantial vaccination efforts by the US and West in general. It'd be fair to say that at least 99.9% of that effort was entirely innocent. The CIA doing what it did should have never happened obviously. That simultaneously doesn't excuse non-vaccination, which is extraordinarily inexpensive and could be performed by Pakistani governmen…

> and could be performed by Pakistani government persons as a compromise. Political opponents still can frame anyone associated with "being an US puppet"... and for the chemtrail-lovers with an addition of "they're not vaccinating you, they're putting tiny microchips into you". Do note I didn't make up that last one, it literally flew somewhere over my Facebook feed today.

Do you really wanna try to frame the DNA analysis thing as an insane conspiracy theory?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/jul/11/cia-fake-vacci...

The leaders being suspicious of vaccination efforts is a direct link to this activity, please stop making a cheap "THOSE CRAZY KOOKS BELEIVE ANYTHING" style dismissal.

Re: Bill and Melinda Gates Are Paying Off Nigeria's $76M Debt to Japan

#100
post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You may think that "shithole" is too strong of a statement. But that description seems about right to me It's a term that was recently applied, with almost comical precision, to countries that are predominantly black. It was applied in respect of the people from those countries, specifically immigrants, more specifically regarding their individual merit as potential Americans. TL; DR When discussing race, particula…

(Quickly hits Google.) I'm not going to bother keeping up with every tweet from our cheeto-in-chief to keep track of things that might offend politically correct people this week. There is no limit to what can potentially offend others. There is a limit to how much of my attention that I wish to devote to the topic. If that bothers you, perhaps you should reconsider what offends you. Because like it or not, "shithole…

> If that bothers you, perhaps you should reconsider what offends you. Because like it or not, "shithole" is an accurate description of Nigeria

I am neither telling you to stop using that word nor expressing offense. Language is complicated. Two words with similar definitions can mean vastly different things. Understanding that is part of communication.

You now know this term carries additional implied meaning. Ignoring that fact could be used to communicate a message. Similar to how some people selectively use the words "retarded" and "fag" loosely to communicate something meaningful. (Others are simply linguistically clumsy, or mean to communicate something hateful.) Depending on the circumstances, that may be what you want to communicate, completely unnecessary (thereby lowering your signal:noise ratio) or even debilitating to your argument. Knowing that implied information simply allows you to control that nuance.

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