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Bill and Melinda Gates Are Paying Off Nigeria's $76M Debt to Japan

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Re: Bill and Melinda Gates Are Paying Off Nigeria's $76M Debt to Japan

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post #66

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According to https://www.transparency.org/news/feature/corruption_percept... Nigeria is tied for 136th worst corruption in the world, out of 176 countries. Worldwide, Nigeria is the poster boy for scams. Google "nigerian 419 scammer" for an example. According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)... the per capita income of Nigeria is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_e…

> You may think that "shithole" is too strong of a statement. But that description seems about right to me It's a term that was recently applied, with almost comical precision, to countries that are predominantly black. It was applied in respect of the people from those countries, specifically immigrants, more specifically regarding their individual merit as potential Americans. TL; DR When discussing race, particula…

(Quickly hits Google.)

I'm not going to bother keeping up with every tweet from our cheeto-in-chief to keep track of things that might offend politically correct people this week. There is no limit to what can potentially offend others. There is a limit to how much of my attention that I wish to devote to the topic.

If that bothers you, perhaps you should reconsider what offends you. Because like it or not, "shithole" is an accurate description of Nigeria. It would not be a fair description of, say, Botswana.

Re: Bill and Melinda Gates Are Paying Off Nigeria's $76M Debt to Japan

#82

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>shithole you're tipping your hand a little much

This user has a track record on this front [1]. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16127928

I find these style of comments very distasteful.

Re: Bill and Melinda Gates Are Paying Off Nigeria's $76M Debt to Japan

#83
post #16

Why does the 6th largest oil exporter in the world need a $76M loan paid? Edit: Downvotes? Legitimate question guys. Can someone explain how that works?

Your question prompted me to read further on this. You got my upvote.

Nigeria was in a recession and exited a few months back per [12]. This bbc video tries to answer the question of why the recession happened [13]

The 2017 budget has N7.3 Trillion expenses with N4.94 Trillion revenue (of which oil revenue is N1.99 Trill)and a deficit of N2.3 Trillion. The oil revenue is not near enough. A good portion of their expenses looks to be capital expenditures (infrastructure and security) and debt servicing. "In 2017, debt servicing is projected to increase by 22 percent, which is above the current inflation level, indicating a real increase in the country’s debt burden as the FG plans to increase borrowings. " [0]

The deeper reasons might be the history - civil war, dictatorships, communal violence over decades including an insurgency and concomitant vicious cycle and corruption. Things look to be getting better.

Poverty is huge. [1] mentions 33% as below the poverty line ($1.90/day per [8]). India where I'm from as a comparison has 12.4% per [10]. Huge inflation - 9% in 2015 per [1] but now at 16% per [11]

[2] mentions three causes for poverty in Nigeria - income equality, ethnic conflict and political instability.

Civil war right after independence led to a dictatorship [9]. The oil boom in the 70s increased the govt's (dictatorship's) money but "did little to enhance its political and administrative capacity, but did increase incomes and the number of jobs that the governing elites could distribute to their clients". [6]

Looks like the return to democracy in 1999 (Fourth Nigerian Republic [3]) is when things started to turn for the better with civilian rule. Still with lots of violence [4] and a religious insurgency by Boko Haram at least until Dec 2015 ("technically defeated") [5]. Existing poverty is itself mentioned as as a cause for the rise of Boko Haram and they also made things much, much worse - "roughly 10,000 deaths since 2011 and roughly 2.6 million displaced Nigerians" (and more economic impact) [6]. Corruption seems to be widespread with scams listed till 2015[7].

The 2018 proposed budget tries to reduce the deficit and forecasts a 40% growth of the non-oil revenue (though many of the expenditure items have a similar growth). [14]

[0] https://home.kpmg.com/ng/en/home/insights/2017/06/2017-budge...

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Nigeria

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_Nigeria

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Nigerian_Republic

[4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Nigeria

[5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boko_Haram

[6] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_history_of_Nigeria#Bo...

[7] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_in_Nigeria

[8] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_threshold

[9] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Nigeria#First_perio...

[10] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_India

[11] https://tradingeconomics.com/nigeria/inflation-cpi

[12] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-nigeria-gdp/nigerias-econ...

[13] http://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-africa-37230696/nigeria-in-...

[14] https://www.pwc.com/ng/en/assets/pdf/pwc-2018-nigerias-budge...

Re: Bill and Melinda Gates Are Paying Off Nigeria's $76M Debt to Japan

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post #79

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> You may think that "shithole" is too strong of a statement. But that description seems about right to me It's a term that was recently applied, with almost comical precision, to countries that are predominantly black. It was applied in respect of the people from those countries, specifically immigrants, more specifically regarding their individual merit as potential Americans. TL; DR When discussing race, particula…

as a minority immigrant from a shithole country, i find this opinion condescending and racist. please use whatever adjective you would use for any other race - i don't need my sensitive minority ears protected by an up-to-the-minute adjective whitelist, thanks.

your appeal to authority is naked

Re: Bill and Melinda Gates Are Paying Off Nigeria's $76M Debt to Japan

#87
post #34

It is amazing to see how Bill Gates immersed himself in his nonprofit work. I hope he stays rich so he can do more of these.

Having read Slashdot 15 years ago, a part of me is shocked to hear anyone wish that Bill Gates stays rich. But don't worry, Bill will be just fine.

Gates is worshipped by most millennials, including the techies.

For those of us who've been around for a while - as your reference to Slashdot points out - this can be surprising considering just how hated he was a decade or two ago when Microsoft was in a much different position than they are now.

I still have a negative opinion of him, and feel his business practices were extremely negative to the world.

But I will give credit to his ability to white-wash his image via numerous PR campaigns (Reddit AMAs, lots of other blatant social manipulation in the media). He and his marketing team have played the long game, and have been brilliant.

Re: Bill and Melinda Gates Are Paying Off Nigeria's $76M Debt to Japan

#88
post #48

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>Reddit style Just as much HN style, where top comments frequently bring up old discussions completely unrelated to the article's content (e.g. js article -> js is a mess, blockchain article -> blockchain is a bubble, megacorp article -> this is why i never use megacorp's products)

mmm source please

mmm mmm mmm

Re: Bill and Melinda Gates Are Paying Off Nigeria's $76M Debt to Japan

#89
post #74

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I'm sure Nigeria did agree to the terms, but if I were a citizen of Japan I would be embarrassed that the money was not just gifted as part of a foreign aid program.

>if I were a citizen of Japan I would be embarrassed You clearly don't understand the Japanese. If anyone is to be embarrassed, it is the Nigerians promising to pay and then failing to. Accepting money from the Bill Gates foundation is more shameful. Japanese do not beg.

The Japanese did not beg. There's nothing shameful about accepting money from the Bill Gates foundation as it has nothing to do with the nation's inability to do something. You're just spinning this to be about Japan.

Re: Bill and Melinda Gates Are Paying Off Nigeria's $76M Debt to Japan

#90
post #48

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This is the correct perspective. It seems that, Reddit style, many people here comment just the titles, don't read the articles. Polio is on the way to complete eradication all over the world. AFAIK the only place where it remains endemic is Baluchistan in Pakistan where the warlords are suspicious of vaccination agents. Victory on polio is a fantastic story that doesn't get the attention it deserves.

>Reddit style Just as much HN style, where top comments frequently bring up old discussions completely unrelated to the article's content (e.g. js article -> js is a mess, blockchain article -> blockchain is a bubble, megacorp article -> this is why i never use megacorp's products)

I've noticed what you pointed out is fairly common especially recently, but it wasn't always the case. Moreover, it's incumbent on us to be better than that so to reverse the trend.
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