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Bill and Melinda Gates Are Paying Off Nigeria's $76M Debt to Japan

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Re: Bill and Melinda Gates Are Paying Off Nigeria's $76M Debt to Japan

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To all the commenters too busy being aghast at giving money to a government to read the article: > Nigeria’s debt to Japan is the result of Overseas Development Assistance (ODA) provided by the Japanese government in 2014 for increased polio eradication. efforts. > The country has made great strides in its efforts to eliminate the disease thanks to this funding. > Nigeria did not record a wild case of polio from July…

This is the correct perspective. It seems that, Reddit style, many people here comment just the titles, don't read the articles. Polio is on the way to complete eradication all over the world. AFAIK the only place where it remains endemic is Baluchistan in Pakistan where the warlords are suspicious of vaccination agents. Victory on polio is a fantastic story that doesn't get the attention it deserves.

> AFAIK the only place where it remains endemic is Baluchistan in Pakistan

In 2017 there have been 13 wild cases in Afghanistan, 8 in Pakistan and it's still considered endemic in Nigeria (last known case in August 2016)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poliomyelitis_eradication#2017

Re: Bill and Melinda Gates Are Paying Off Nigeria's $76M Debt to Japan

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Moral hazard?

Probably not. First this is a highly unusual event, not something other debtors could reasonably expect for themselves. Second, the money was used to fight polio, a terrible disease. Moral hazard would be Nigerians driving Ferraris purchased by Melinda and Bill. This is not that. If the Gates want to eliminate such diseases, they must be elated to see effective programs spending their money to do it.

> Moral hazard would be Nigerians driving Ferraris purchased by Melinda and Bill.

The Nigerian kleptocrats have effectively externalized their healthcare costs so that they can buy their Ferraris or more likely a fleet of pimped out G-wagens.

Re: Bill and Melinda Gates Are Paying Off Nigeria's $76M Debt to Japan

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Also a drop in the bucket compared with Nigeria's oil revenue. Why do they need charity to pay off the loan? This is clearly the Gates just engaging in corruption while making it look like they're "helping out".

Yes, truly how terrible they are to spend money encouraging the eradication of polio.

>Yes, truly how terrible they are to spend money encouraging the eradication of polio.

Yes, that was what the loan was for. Even if it all went to its intended purpose, that doesn't excuse apparently not budgeting for any repayment. I expect that money is currently lining someone's pocket in Lagos.

I'd have been more impressed if they spent the money directly to tackle the next challenge and letting the politicians answer personally to Japan regarding the whereabouts of their money. Instead they are encouraging more loans and more corruption.

Re: Bill and Melinda Gates Are Paying Off Nigeria's $76M Debt to Japan

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the correct perspective. It seems that, Reddit style, many people here comment just the titles, don't read the articles. Polio is on the way to complete eradication all over the world. AFAIK the only place where it remains endemic is Baluchistan in Pakistan where the warlords are suspicious of vaccination agents. Victory on polio is a fantastic story that doesn't get the attention it deserves.

well last time they claimed to be giving vaccines in pakistan it was to collect genetic information against a us target.

It wasn't the last time. Pakistan is an extremely large nation with 40+ years of substantial vaccination efforts by the US and West in general. It'd be fair to say that at least 99.9% of that effort was entirely innocent.

The CIA doing what it did should have never happened obviously. That simultaneously doesn't excuse non-vaccination, which is extraordinarily inexpensive and could be performed by Pakistani government persons as a compromise.

Re: Bill and Melinda Gates Are Paying Off Nigeria's $76M Debt to Japan

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I'm I the only one who thinks that Japan kinda looks bad here? I mean, Bill's foundation is already dedicating $3B a year on development assistance, couldn't Japan just say to Nigeria: "You don't have to pay us back. Consider it a donation". How could they reasonably expect Nigeria to pay them back $76M?

Eh. What about the 200+ other countries who didn't give Nigeria a loan (or gift) towards the goal of eliminating polio? I don't think lending money to a willing debtor is a bad look.

Re: Bill and Melinda Gates Are Paying Off Nigeria's $76M Debt to Japan

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post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the correct perspective. It seems that, Reddit style, many people here comment just the titles, don't read the articles. Polio is on the way to complete eradication all over the world. AFAIK the only place where it remains endemic is Baluchistan in Pakistan where the warlords are suspicious of vaccination agents. Victory on polio is a fantastic story that doesn't get the attention it deserves.

>Reddit style Just as much HN style, where top comments frequently bring up old discussions completely unrelated to the article's content (e.g. js article -> js is a mess, blockchain article -> blockchain is a bubble, megacorp article -> this is why i never use megacorp's products)

mmm source please

Re: Bill and Melinda Gates Are Paying Off Nigeria's $76M Debt to Japan

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post #28

Nigeria loses tens of billions of dollars a year to corruption, especially in their oil industry, especially among politicians. If I was Nigerian, I would find this sort of charity to be very embarrassing.

> If I was Nigerian, I would find this sort of charity to be very embarrassing

Fortunately, there are those willing to trade feeling embarrassed for making progesss towards eradicating polio.

Re: Bill and Melinda Gates Are Paying Off Nigeria's $76M Debt to Japan

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Yes, truly how terrible they are to spend money encouraging the eradication of polio.

>Yes, truly how terrible they are to spend money encouraging the eradication of polio. Yes, that was what the loan was for. Even if it all went to its intended purpose, that doesn't excuse apparently not budgeting for any repayment. I expect that money is currently lining someone's pocket in Lagos. I'd have been more impressed if they spent the money directly to tackle the next challenge and letting the politicians a…

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Re: Bill and Melinda Gates Are Paying Off Nigeria's $76M Debt to Japan

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Look, Nigeria is swimming in money yet remains a shithole. The Gates Foundation "donation" is only a replacement for tax money that went into somebody's pocket instead of being used for what taxes are meant to be used for, whether paying loans or building a healthcare system. I never said they were in the pocket of the oil tycoons. The oil tycoons aren't the ones embezzling the country's entire national budget.

>shithole you're tipping your hand a little much

This user has a track record on this front [1].

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16127928

Re: Bill and Melinda Gates Are Paying Off Nigeria's $76M Debt to Japan

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To all the commenters too busy being aghast at giving money to a government to read the article: > Nigeria’s debt to Japan is the result of Overseas Development Assistance (ODA) provided by the Japanese government in 2014 for increased polio eradication. efforts. > The country has made great strides in its efforts to eliminate the disease thanks to this funding. > Nigeria did not record a wild case of polio from July…

>Money well spent.

There have been human costs too,

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/09/world/africa/in-nigeria-po...

Of the nine vaccination workers killed, "Most of the victims were women and were shot in the back of the head"

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