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Alert About Missile Bound for Hawaii Was Sent in Error, Officials Say

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Re: Alert About Missile Bound for Hawaii Was Sent in Error, Officials Say

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Post by joering2 »

jacquesm wrote: post #306
ramses0 wrote: post #302

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Source, please? I was unaware of this sentiment.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/mother-of-s...

What a source!

If you reason that survivalists have caused some many death because Lanza was survivalist, then lets continue with your thought process:

- Lanza was white - hence to date white people have caused more deaths than their preparations have saved. - Lanza was male - hence to date men have caused more deaths than their preparations have saved. - Lanza was a minor - hence to date minors have caused more deaths than their preparations have saved.

Did I miss something?

Re: Alert About Missile Bound for Hawaii Was Sent in Error, Officials Say

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Post by tomjen3 »

packetslave wrote: post #117

Just watched an interview on CNN with the Governor of Hawaii and their director of emergency management. Pretty impressed that the director didn't throw anybody under the bus. He basically said "An employee pushed the wrong button. It's my responsibility, so this is my fault. We're going to make procedure and technical changes to make sure this doesn't happen again."

Is it going to have any consequences for the governor? Otherwise taking responsibility is just cheap points.

Re: Alert About Missile Bound for Hawaii Was Sent in Error, Officials Say

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Post by jacquesm »

joering2 wrote: post #331
jacquesm wrote: post #306

Earlier quoted context omitted.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/mother-of-s...

What a source! If you reason that survivalists have caused some many death because Lanza was survivalist, then lets continue with your thought process: - Lanza was white - hence to date white people have caused more deaths than their preparations have saved. - Lanza was male - hence to date men have caused more deaths than their preparations have saved. - Lanza was a minor - hence to date minors have caused more deat…

Yes, you've missed something.

If the lady had not been a prepper then she would not have brought a whole bunch of guns into a house with a kid that was clearly having problems. And instead of preparing for the problems that she never had she might have spent more time on the problems that she - and he - clearly did have.

Being white, male or a minor has nothing to do with it.

Re: Alert About Missile Bound for Hawaii Was Sent in Error, Officials Say

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Post by dmix »

roywiggins wrote: post #247
azernik wrote: post #217

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US has no national siren system; there are just state and local ones. I've heard siren tests every once in a while living in San Francisco, but there's zero public education about their meaning or appropriate responses. (This false alarm was a push alert sent to cell phones. What about people who don't have a cell phone on them when the alert comes? ... good luck)

It played over TV broadcasts as well, I think. Probably went to radio, but I haven't seen anything written about that.

It was also on radio and TV.

Re: Alert About Missile Bound for Hawaii Was Sent in Error, Officials Say

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Post by [deleted] »

roywiggins wrote: post #244
djhworld wrote: post #173

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I wonder what those procedural changes could be Could they do it so say, two people have to input a code or something from different machines, or something more physical like turning two keys, hitting a button etc

A big fat "Are you really sure?" confirmation box would seem to be the absolute minimum requirement here...

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Re: Alert About Missile Bound for Hawaii Was Sent in Error, Officials Say

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Post by yongjik »

yks wrote: post #297
joering2 wrote: post #273

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would I join a gang?? I have enough brothers in arms to create my own.

gangs have an hierarchy, experience with violence and disregard of ethics. if you and your "brothers in arms" are veterans you have pretty good odds otherwise not so much.

It's actually an interesting point. How many of these preppers have received military training, and when shit hits the fan, do they have plans to organize, communicate with each other, and defend themselves?

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Post by knz »

sorenbs wrote: post #153
dmix wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well they tested the nuclear/missle attack warning sirens in Hawain cities for the first time in a very long time last month. Just because the sirens were installed during the cold war doesnt make the new attention and urgency being given to them is any less new. Same with the underlying infrastructure behind cell phone alerts being old while the systems on top are being newly revised and tested. Clearly there is a w…

I'm surprised the sirens aren't tested more frequently. In Denmark we have a national system of sirens. They are tested once a year at a specific date and time. In the cold war era they used to test them every Wednesday at noon, but it has been scaled down since then :-)

They get tested monthly here in Minnesota (at 1300 on the first Wednesday of the month).

They are primarily for tornadoes rather than nuclear weapons though.

Re: Alert About Missile Bound for Hawaii Was Sent in Error, Officials Say

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Post by jrs235 »

blantonl wrote: post #139
packetslave wrote: post #117

Just watched an interview on CNN with the Governor of Hawaii and their director of emergency management. Pretty impressed that the director didn't throw anybody under the bus. He basically said "An employee pushed the wrong button. It's my responsibility, so this is my fault. We're going to make procedure and technical changes to make sure this doesn't happen again."

A lot of people are calling for the person who did this to be instantly fired, but I've always been of the opinion that the guy that pushed that button would be an outstanding hire - because he'll never, ever do something like that again and he's learned an important lesson.

Reminds me of the legend of the newly hired sales guy that managed to screw up and lose a multi million dollar deal that was supposed to be a slam dunk.

After the sale feel through the VP of sales scheduled an appointment with the sales guy. The sales guy began cleaning up his desk and boxing his things anticipating what the outcome of the meeting would be.

Upon meeting the VP the sales person profusely apologized and accepted responsibility and said he understood why he was being let go. The VP interrupted him and paused for a moment before telling him "I did not invite you here to fire you. I wanted to see how you were doing and ensure that you learned a valuable lesson. The last thing I thought about doing was letting you go after spending millions of dollars on your education and training."

Re: Alert About Missile Bound for Hawaii Was Sent in Error, Officials Say

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Post by CodeWriter23 »

jacquesm wrote: post #295
joering2 wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just recently I spoke to my friends that literally are living in LaLa land. They are making fun of me prepping and saving dry food, water, stacking up on legal guns and munition. I took upon challenge last xmas to meetup with them and they brought my prepardness as one of laughing subjects. It really saddens me when they believe that when gloves of society are off, we all gonna be happy singing kumbaya and respecting…

The fact that they are laughing at you does not mean that you are not actually living in lala land. The whole 'prepper/suvivalism' movement took a big hit after Sandy Hook. To date survivalists have caused more deaths than their preparations have saved.

“LaLa Land” = Los Angeles

Re: Alert About Missile Bound for Hawaii Was Sent in Error, Officials Say

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Post by anigbrowl »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #327
anigbrowl wrote: post #324

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Not true. I said it was a drill, you repeatedly averred it wasn't, called me a liar, and I provided 2 sources tos support my claim. In this post you've accused me of lying 5 times, but never get around to stating what these supposed falsehoods are. Retract your false claims.

You are doubling down on discredited reports. You repeated something false. In doubling down, you are lying. This was not a drill, it was a mistake [1]. Your focus on your ego over the facts doesn’t change that. [1] http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-hawaii-inb...

Officials said the alert was the result of human error and not the work of hackers or a foreign government. The mistake occurred during a shift-change drill that takes place three times a day at the emergency command post, according to Richard Rapoza, a spokesman for the agency. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/13/us/hawaii-missile.html

The facts support me, not you. I have highlighted the sentence in which the words 'mistake' and 'drill' appear since you seem unable to read it on your own.

HEre is another quote from the same article:

Vern T. Miyagi, the administrator of the agency, said that during the drill, an employee — whom he did not identify — mistakenly pushed a button on a computer screen to send out the alert, rather than one marked to test it. He said the employee answered “yes” when asked by the system if he was sure he wanted to send the message.

I see no indication of the NYT report having been discredited or the NYT making any effort to retract or correct it, and your story from a different publication in no way contradicts it - if anything, it supports my basic point about the irresponsibility of the long delay in notifying the public of the error.

I am not the one lying here.

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