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New DHS policy on demands for passwords to travelers’ electronic devices

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Re: New DHS policy on demands for passwords to travelers’ electronic devices

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Post by wand3r »

jermaustin1 wrote: post #117
sgift wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The general population should be welcomed with open arms - retaliation on them achieves nothing. It's not their fault. Last time I checked the US had elections, so yes, it pretty much is their fault.

Last time I checked and voted, the US Election system was rigged. Due to political gerrymandering and a conservative media brainwashing machine, even when the country casts 2 million more votes for a president, she is not the one to win.

To be clear the general elections are very much rigged for the reasons you stated and many more. That said HRC lost because the popular vote is not what the candidates compete on. As an aside, I am still bitter about her attempted rigging of the election and successful interference in the DNC which left us in this current horrible predicament.

Re: New DHS policy on demands for passwords to travelers’ electronic devices

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Post by [deleted] »

sgift wrote: post #110
rjmunro wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think they should only retaliate on US officials (elected and who work for DHS). Ask them to reveal passwords to national secrets when they enter the country, then detain them for hours when they refuse. The general population should be welcomed with open arms - retaliation on them achieves nothing. It's not their fault.

> The general population should be welcomed with open arms - retaliation on them achieves nothing. It's not their fault. Last time I checked the US had elections, so yes, it pretty much is their fault.

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Re: New DHS policy on demands for passwords to travelers’ electronic devices

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Post by GCU-Empiricist »

IronBacon wrote: post #50
rtpg wrote: post #10

Have there been any court rulings that limit searches at the border at all? Are there any lines at all upon which we can rely on? Even a tiny exception to the "4th ammendment exception" might allow for crafting safer transit.

I think the borders are technically not US soil so they are covered by a different set of rules/authorities. I could be wrong, not an US citizen, I seldom cross borders, feel free to correct me... ^__^;

Your right entry into the border is held as a plenipotentiary setting by SCOTUS, meaning the laws don't apply until you admitted into the border.

Re: New DHS policy on demands for passwords to travelers’ electronic devices

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Post by DougWebb »

mkarliner wrote: post #118

It would seem to me the answer is to factory reset your phone before travel and reinstate it after landing. However, the UK is not much better, given recent legislation. Until the average voter gets concerned enough about this to make it an election issue, our lives will be more and more constrained.

I wouldn't recommend this. You want your device to look innocuous and normal. Nobody carries around an unused phone, so having one would be a red flag. Your phone will be examined for hidden partitions, and you'll be detained for further scrutiny.

Re: New DHS policy on demands for passwords to travelers’ electronic devices

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Post by [deleted] »

jermaustin1 wrote: post #117
sgift wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The general population should be welcomed with open arms - retaliation on them achieves nothing. It's not their fault. Last time I checked the US had elections, so yes, it pretty much is their fault.

Last time I checked and voted, the US Election system was rigged. Due to political gerrymandering and a conservative media brainwashing machine, even when the country casts 2 million more votes for a president, she is not the one to win.

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Re: New DHS policy on demands for passwords to travelers’ electronic devices

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Post by make3 »

chrisper wrote: post #39
jimnotgym wrote: post #18

I don't know if it worries my American chums, but I won't visit the USA. As a foreign tourist bringing money into your economy I feel there is a very real risk to my privacy and increasingly my person. I am beginning to favour goods and services from EU where human rights still mean something. Perhaps it doesn't matter to you how the US is perceived overseas, perhaps you don't want my money. Perhaps you don't mind be…

Isn't it the same with Canada, though? I admit, I only watched those Border Patrol Shows on Netflix and what not, but it always disturbed me how much they always wanted to check the whole phone.

this is surprising to me. my experience with the Canadian border guard is that they are super chill

Re: New DHS policy on demands for passwords to travelers’ electronic devices

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Post by swiley »

koonsolo wrote: post #56
MentallyRetired wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

wait, so you're actually a spy? What kind of user are you if not a normal one?

This works the other way around you know. I knew some programmers who worked for a EU company that had a military contract. When they traveled to US (talking around 2005 here), their entire harddisk was encrypted and they got a short education on how to handle certain suspicious situations. US is known to use intelligence data any way they want, including economical gain. So if your laptop contains any confidential d…

The US border sounds so much like the Chinese one! :(

Re: New DHS policy on demands for passwords to travelers’ electronic devices

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Post by tumblen »

3131s wrote: post #49
jimnotgym wrote: post #18

I don't know if it worries my American chums, but I won't visit the USA. As a foreign tourist bringing money into your economy I feel there is a very real risk to my privacy and increasingly my person. I am beginning to favour goods and services from EU where human rights still mean something. Perhaps it doesn't matter to you how the US is perceived overseas, perhaps you don't want my money. Perhaps you don't mind be…

I am an American living outside the US for ~5 years. It's become very difficult to plan for the future now that I am in a permanent relationship with a non-US citizen (we would be married already if not for the various complications associated with being different nationalities). Especially since she is from a so-called "shithole" country, one of the poorest on earth, we have doubts about whether it's even worth ever…

I went through this process in 2015-2016 after my fiancee was turned away while we were entering the US in PHL (they said she had already spent too much time with me there). We went back to Spain where she's from and started the 4+ month long process of getting her a K-1 fiancee visa.

It is a lot of reading, a lot of forms, and nerve-wracking interviews so I understand where you're coming from. But now she has a green card and it's a huge weight off our chests, great to be able to live a normal life. No one is coming for legal permanent residents, especially by marriage.

Almost everyone we interacted with along the way (except for the border control at PHL) was pretty friendly and just doing their job. No one seemed to have an axe to grind against immigrants.

The best resource I found was VisaJourney which has guides, timelines, useful forums, crowd-sourced processing times, etc.

I'm sure you'll find other users there from your partner's country so you can get a feel for what the process is like from a relevant perspective.

Here is the process/timeline for a fiancee visa: http://www.visajourney.com/content/k1flow

Happy to help if you have any questions

Re: New DHS policy on demands for passwords to travelers’ electronic devices

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Post by nfriedly »

3131s wrote: post #49
jimnotgym wrote: post #18

I don't know if it worries my American chums, but I won't visit the USA. As a foreign tourist bringing money into your economy I feel there is a very real risk to my privacy and increasingly my person. I am beginning to favour goods and services from EU where human rights still mean something. Perhaps it doesn't matter to you how the US is perceived overseas, perhaps you don't want my money. Perhaps you don't mind be…

I am an American living outside the US for ~5 years. It's become very difficult to plan for the future now that I am in a permanent relationship with a non-US citizen (we would be married already if not for the various complications associated with being different nationalities). Especially since she is from a so-called "shithole" country, one of the poorest on earth, we have doubts about whether it's even worth ever…

I have a friend who's a US citizen who was living in Venezuela for a while, and he got married to a Venezuelan gal there about 5 years ago. They'd been working on moving back to/to the US for most of that 5 years and finally got here about 2-3 months ago. I believe that both the US and Venezuelan governments gave them a bit of run-around, but it did all work out eventually.

Re: New DHS policy on demands for passwords to travelers’ electronic devices

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Post by gcb0 »

alkonaut wrote: post #69

Unfortunately the recommended behavior is to be "difficult". Trying to somehow state your own rights, demand that officers perform searches in accordance with law etc. - which is "being difficult". If you are on your way to a great holiday, important meeting etc, you aren't going to risk it. Because anyone "being difficult" will be detained or rejected. So I'll just fold and give them my password. And they know this.…

> The only time I'd even hesitate to trade my precious time for my integrity is if I actually had something to hide

I honestly can't tell if you are trolling, I missed the irony, or you are really as dense as a badly trained racist border office (which thankfully is not all of them)

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