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Apple shareholders push for study of phone addiction in children

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Re: Apple shareholders push for study of phone addiction in children

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Post by thomastjeffery »

pmarreck wrote: post #260
thomastjeffery wrote: post #257

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> Now, if you were to empirically argue (with data/evidence) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Why_Wikipedia_cannot... My personal experiences are valid. Fear and control would have directly affected me, and I am certain that would have been to my detriment.

It is valid, but it cannot be evidence: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence

My point is that this situation does not call for evidence.

Demanding statistics at every turn means you are going to ignore anything that doesn't have it. That's just unreasonable.

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Post by andrei_says_ »

sparewalking wrote: post #150
andrei_says_ wrote: post #6

I think this is a very good sign. It is my hope that Apple is able to pioneer tools which make it possible to interrupt addiction forming (dark) patterns. Addressing this on the device/os level (vs possibly legislation) could be very effective. Right now this is a lawless territory and creating + exploiting addiction at the cost of depleting millions of people’s cognitive resources as free is very profitable. The lon…

The real result will be that kids will be educated by devices instead being educated by their parents.

If by “educated by” you mean “have their relationship with intentionally induced addiction managed by”, then we’re on the same page.

If we can agree that tobacco and opioids are better kept away from children then we may asking why Facebook, instagram, Snapchat, addictively engineered games are not.

Of course we would also start thinking about sugar and caffeine :)

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Post by dwaltrip »

thomastjeffery wrote: post #258
dwaltrip wrote: post #114

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It's hard to draw vast conclusions from a few anecdotes. My parents limited video game time, and I think they were right to do so. I still managed to become a (fairly skilled, I hope) software developer.

It sucks when conclusions are drawn that ignore anecdotes. I am not totally against parents controlling their children's behavior, but I am wary of how trivial it is to take that to the extreme, without even realizing it, because of a collective fear that is promoted by those around you. I am quite certain that measures of control over my "computer use" would have been detrimental. It's important to not throw that as…

I'm not saying strict controls are always the right thing, I just wanted to provide a counterpoint. I agree that balance is important and that not all situations are alike.

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Post by tonyedgecombe »

thomastjeffery wrote: post #254
tonyedgecombe wrote: post #122

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We restricted our kids computer time and it hasn't stopped them entering the industry.

Did they get to install Linux during their early teenage years? How much restriction? What aspects of "the industry"? What sort of experiences might they have missed? Will you ever know?

What sort of experiences might they have missed? Will you ever know?

Well, I know what activities didn't get crowded out by unfettered access to a computer.

It wasn't about a monastic existence, it was just keeping things in balance.

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Post by gambiting »

thomastjeffery wrote: post #255
gambiting wrote: post #138

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I mean....I work as a professional C++ programmer in the games industry, and until I was about 12-14, my computer time was limited to 1 hour a day during the week days, 2 hours a day during the weekend. But then I would spend all my other free time reading, and I would read programming books and game guides instead. I have "experienced" many games by reading their game guides from start to finish, without having actu…

Did you make it through? Yes. Be wary of survivor bias. Not everyone is like you, and not every similar situation is the same . I grew from my free experience with computers, and I hope every child can have that opportunity .

Of course, it was just an anecdote :-)

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Post by derwiki »

LastZactionHero wrote: post #115
iamthirsty wrote: post #74

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I've recently made an active effort to combat this — now I mind my posture almost obsessively.

What have you done, or what change have you made to keep posture in mind?

Practicing alignment-based hatha yoga has helped me be more mindful of my posture in my daily life.

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Post by derwiki »

artur_makly wrote: post #182
Tempest1981 wrote: post #143

I wish iOS had a way to limit time by app. Or even just a daily limit. Is there any way to do this today? Or just show # of minutes by app, each day -- to observe where time is being spent... even for adults!

hopefully this year Rescue Time will solve this. this one seems very good: Moment – Screen Time Tracker by Kevin Holesh there are a few apps listed here: https://www.tomsguide.com/us/best-parental-control-apps,revi...

I started Moment a few months ago. When I drive back from Tahoe it counts those 3.5 hours of Google Maps as active screen time. Which isn't wrong, just not helpful.

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Post by artur_makly »

derwiki wrote: post #267
artur_makly wrote: post #182

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hopefully this year Rescue Time will solve this. this one seems very good: Moment – Screen Time Tracker by Kevin Holesh there are a few apps listed here: https://www.tomsguide.com/us/best-parental-control-apps,revi...

I started Moment a few months ago. When I drive back from Tahoe it counts those 3.5 hours of Google Maps as active screen time. Which isn't wrong, just not helpful.

ask the dev ( who is very friendly ) to add a list of apps to filter out ;-)

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Post by istorical »

Jonovono wrote: post #216
Tempest1981 wrote: post #143

I wish iOS had a way to limit time by app. Or even just a daily limit. Is there any way to do this today? Or just show # of minutes by app, each day -- to observe where time is being spent... even for adults!

https://freedom.to/ is the best/only one I have found. It's meh but it works.

I have a subscription to this but I'm not gonna renew it because I don't like having to schedule my blocked and unblocked hours.

I just want to be able to set a daily or weekly budget of hours and then once I've used my hours up I get blocked.

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Post by dragonsky67 »

thomastjeffery wrote: post #251
nawtacawp wrote: post #99

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I would imagine a lot of us here who grew up in 90s would have the same experience. However, I do not see the same parallel to using a mobile device dominated by facebook, Snapchat, emojis and games. There is nothing to tinker with. I also don’t believe that mobile device use bridges to computer use — which could possibly cause a child to show interest in ‘how are these apps made?’

That's the problem with locked down devices. It seems like no one cared that when we got powerful supercomputers that fit in our pockets, we couldn't use them like real computers. These arbitrary limitations are the real problem. I don't think adding to the collective fear of children using computers will help change that. It's more likely to convince parents to choose more control and censorship.

I've got to say that I agree. We've been caring for three of our sisters kids recently. They are absolutely mesmerized by the ipads. To the point that you could drop a stack of dishes next to them and they would barely register.

Taking them to the museum is a exercise in frustration when you find that they ignore any chance to play with the dinosaur bones or look at the solar system models. Present them with a screen and they are captured. I was shocked to see them staring at a monitor that had a scrolling error message on it.. I don't think they are brain damaged, but you would not know it to see them anyware near a tv or monitor. It seems that they have little ability to process the world if it is not presented on a screen.

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