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Re: Net Neutrality to Get U.S. Senate Vote as Democrats Force Issue

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Post by wooter »

awalton wrote: post #72
pdonis wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Republicans are on the bullet train to dismantle and sell off the government to the highest bidders. This is equally true of the Democrats; they just have a different set of preferred highest bidders.

[citation needed]. You're going to need some high octane evidence to compare adding new regulations that disproportionally help one industry, verses destroying the established works of the FCC, EPA, NOAA, the Bureau of Land Management/National Parks, the Department of Education... the list is literally too long for me to keep enumerating here, so take a look at articles like this one: https://www.bostonglobe.com/news…

is this a joke? Look at Chicago and Detroit. Democrat corruption is rampant. It is well known that Obama massively increased the amount of illegal domestic surveillance and use of unconstitutional FISA courts. To say nothing of his attempt to subvert the First and Fourth Amendments to the point where Apple had to act in outright defiance with an open letter to the People. To say nothing of how he handled the Snowden revelations or the bombing of 4 additional countries all the way up to 2017 based on a 2001 authorization.

Re: Net Neutrality to Get U.S. Senate Vote as Democrats Force Issue

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Post by specialist »

danjayh wrote: post #42
lmroz wrote: post #37

The U.S. Senate voted on an older version of net neutrality in 2011 with a resolution introduced by former republican Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison (a resolution of disapproval of the FCC's Open Internet Order of 2010). It was a party line vote, 48-52, with republicans (the minority caucus in the Senate at that time) voting against the order and democrats voting in support of the order. https://www.congress.gov/bill/112t…

The problem isn't net neutrality, it's lack of competition among ISPs. Normally, I would agree with them - regulating the internet is not the way to spur innovation. But with an ISP monopoly or duopoly in most markets, either more competition (my preferred solution) or regulation is needed. As we've seen with phone service (if you're old enough to remember), regulation will give us reliable but expensive service, and…

What's your proposal for increasing competition?

Re: Net Neutrality to Get U.S. Senate Vote as Democrats Force Issue

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Post by lurr »

meddlepal wrote: post #100
lurr wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Okay, how about shortsighted, stupid, corrupt, etc...? This also sounds like an argument for political correctness.

None of those are exclusive attributes of the right. Democrats have done lots of all of the above. For example, stupid and shortsighted... the Employer Mandate for health insurance which had the unintended consequence of businesses realizing it was cheaper to hire an extra employee or two so that they didn't have to make anyone Full Time employees and pay for insurance or get hit by the penalty tax. Democrats and and…

See, this is why evil is better.

Less whataboutism.

Of course I believe that the republican parties current path will lead to the destruction of America. So I'm probably not worth talking to.

Re: Net Neutrality to Get U.S. Senate Vote as Democrats Force Issue

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Post by int_19h »

sumedh wrote: post #41
awalton wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This vote seems like the best chance of maintaining NN at the national level. Shame, because this vote is incredibly predictable by anyone who has been paying any attention at all. Republicans are on the bullet train to dismantle and sell off the government to the highest bidders. This vote goes straight down party lines. But, it'll be an easy banner for Dems to hoist in November to rally voters, since it's categor…

> since it's categorical that Americans do not want this madness As an outsider it is kind of amusing when I see lines like "Americans do not want" said by both Democrats and Republicans.

It's a good rule of thumb that whenever you hear someone starting the phrase with "The American people want ...", you can basically ignore the rest of it, because it's meaningless propaganda drivel.

Re: Net Neutrality to Get U.S. Senate Vote as Democrats Force Issue

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Post by smsm42 »

temp-dude-87844 wrote: post #84
smsm42 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where the idea that FCC latest ruling is opposed by majority of conservatives comes from? Moreover, if you think issue as obscure and technical as NN would be important enough for a senator to break with their own party, you are deluding yourself. The only way to make it so is to wage blatantly false campaign like "without NN you'd be paying 100x for Internet tomorrow and all your favorite sites would be blocked" - w…

My assertion as stated in the parent post is based on the University of Maryland Program for Public Consultation's December 2017 poll, which asked respondents to weigh how convincing they found a pro-repeal and a con-repeal argument, and then asked their final stance. The results show [1] that 75% of Republican voters, over 88% of Democrat voters, and almost 86% of independents oppose changes are consistent with the…

They didn't ask however whether people oppose specific changes to FCC regulations, but whether people oppose the consequences that those regulations' supporters claim that will result from removing those regulations. This is somewhat different. In any case, thanks for the links.

Re: Net Neutrality to Get U.S. Senate Vote as Democrats Force Issue

#107

Post by chrchang523 »

awalton wrote: post #80
Kequc wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why don't Democrats pass NN through congress and get it enshrined into law? Instead of trying to block that from happening, since it's Republicans who are trying to do that. Why was NN so easy to repeal in the first place? Why didn't Obama do a proper job if it's such an important issue? I still don't agree with the accepted wisdom about what NN is in the first place. Seems to me to suggest companies that are using u…

> Why didn't Obama do a proper job if it's such an important issue? Obama was president while the Republicans held the legislature hostage. It was a miracle his administration was able to ask for and get any legislation passed at all; it was easily the most obstructionist congress ever. He couldn't even appoint a Supreme Court Justice because Mitch McConnell wouldn't allow congress to hold hearings - that's how impos…

The Democrats controlled both the House and the Senate in 2009-2010. Anything Obama and other Democrats thought was really important could have been forced through then.

(Indeed, they did force a major health care reform bill through with zero Republican support, mirroring how a major tax reform bill was forced through with zero Democrat support a few weeks ago.)

Re: Net Neutrality to Get U.S. Senate Vote as Democrats Force Issue

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Post by kadenshep »

wooter wrote: post #101
awalton wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[citation needed]. You're going to need some high octane evidence to compare adding new regulations that disproportionally help one industry, verses destroying the established works of the FCC, EPA, NOAA, the Bureau of Land Management/National Parks, the Department of Education... the list is literally too long for me to keep enumerating here, so take a look at articles like this one: https://www.bostonglobe.com/news…

is this a joke? Look at Chicago and Detroit. Democrat corruption is rampant. It is well known that Obama massively increased the amount of illegal domestic surveillance and use of unconstitutional FISA courts. To say nothing of his attempt to subvert the First and Fourth Amendments to the point where Apple had to act in outright defiance with an open letter to the People. To say nothing of how he handled the Snowden…

Why are you lot so dishonest and so disingenuous? "Look at Chicago and Detroit!" -- let's ignore the fact that these places really aren't that bad, but what about every single other democratic city in the U.S. that's the backbone of this country (Hint: By and large cities vote blue, consistently).

Re: Net Neutrality to Get U.S. Senate Vote as Democrats Force Issue

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Post by kadenshep »

Kequc wrote: post #63
JoshuaEN wrote: post #4

This vote seems like the best chance of maintaining NN at the national level. Congress ultimately directly serve at the pleasure of their constituents, unlike the FCC commissioners. Point being, the time leading up to this vote is probably be the best time to let your congress members know your opinion on NN. Do not let the "failure"[1] of previous efforts to get congress to act in defense of NN dissuade you from fut…

Why don't Democrats pass NN through congress and get it enshrined into law? Instead of trying to block that from happening, since it's Republicans who are trying to do that. Why was NN so easy to repeal in the first place? Why didn't Obama do a proper job if it's such an important issue? I still don't agree with the accepted wisdom about what NN is in the first place. Seems to me to suggest companies that are using u…

> Instead of trying to block that from happening, since it's Republicans who are trying to do that.

We call this a lie.

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