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Re: Net Neutrality to Get U.S. Senate Vote as Democrats Force Issue

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Post by wooter »

philovivero wrote: post #61
Steltek wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think what people fail to realize is that it's not unpopular enough and not with the right people. For the GOP base, they may disagree wholeheartedly but what are they going to do? Vote for a abortionist gun-grabbing Democrat? For Dems, the best use of these things is barrage the election cycle with negative news about the GOP. Failed policies, bad ideas, myopic leadership. Bad bad bad bad. Suck the energy right ou…

Also, everyone to the right of Antifa have been told Net Neutrality was disguised legislation to censor conservative opinions. Given how completely Twitter, Facebook, Google, et al censor right-leaning political opinions, and they're big pro-NN orgs, it wasn't a hard sell. Unfortunately, NN has become yet another casualty in these weird post-fact times.

weird post fact times? heres a CMU taught, Cambridge written paper that concludes:

"we never had network neutrality in the past, and I do not believe we should engineer for it in the future either."

Its the exact condescension and willful ignorance of intelligent opposition in this thread that so characterizes the left.

http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~srini/15-744/papers/p49-crowcroft.pdf

Re: Net Neutrality to Get U.S. Senate Vote as Democrats Force Issue

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Post by lurr »

meddlepal wrote: post #88
awalton wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> this false narrative of all Republicans are evil needs to stop. Then perhaps they should stop being evil. Republicans should fight the evil within their own party and drive it out. They should ask for the resignation of abusers, and voters should fire the ones that don't resign. Republicans shouldn't throw money behind suspected child molesters. Republicans shouldn't rescind laws that the vast majority of Americans…

Framing it as "Good" vs "Evil" is half the problem. The real issue is a lot of the left have assigned morality to policy decisions and concepts about how government should work. You may strongly disagree with scaling back the EPA, FDA, banking regulation, Net Neutrality and who knows what other regulations but that does not scaling or removing regulation evil. The rhetoric from the left that any disagreement with the…

Okay, how about shortsighted, stupid, corrupt, etc...?

This also sounds like an argument for political correctness.

Re: Net Neutrality to Get U.S. Senate Vote as Democrats Force Issue

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Post by lurr »

Kequc wrote: post #63
JoshuaEN wrote: post #4

This vote seems like the best chance of maintaining NN at the national level. Congress ultimately directly serve at the pleasure of their constituents, unlike the FCC commissioners. Point being, the time leading up to this vote is probably be the best time to let your congress members know your opinion on NN. Do not let the "failure"[1] of previous efforts to get congress to act in defense of NN dissuade you from fut…

Why don't Democrats pass NN through congress and get it enshrined into law? Instead of trying to block that from happening, since it's Republicans who are trying to do that. Why was NN so easy to repeal in the first place? Why didn't Obama do a proper job if it's such an important issue? I still don't agree with the accepted wisdom about what NN is in the first place. Seems to me to suggest companies that are using u…

> Instead of trying to block that from happening, since it's Republicans who are trying to do that.

They are? Which bills?

Re: Net Neutrality to Get U.S. Senate Vote as Democrats Force Issue

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Post by lurr »

danjayh wrote: post #42
lmroz wrote: post #37

The U.S. Senate voted on an older version of net neutrality in 2011 with a resolution introduced by former republican Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison (a resolution of disapproval of the FCC's Open Internet Order of 2010). It was a party line vote, 48-52, with republicans (the minority caucus in the Senate at that time) voting against the order and democrats voting in support of the order. https://www.congress.gov/bill/112t…

The problem isn't net neutrality, it's lack of competition among ISPs. Normally, I would agree with them - regulating the internet is not the way to spur innovation. But with an ISP monopoly or duopoly in most markets, either more competition (my preferred solution) or regulation is needed. As we've seen with phone service (if you're old enough to remember), regulation will give us reliable but expensive service, and…

Okay, but they are also doing nothing about the monopolies.

Re: Net Neutrality to Get U.S. Senate Vote as Democrats Force Issue

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Post by specialist »

philovivero wrote: post #61
Steltek wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think what people fail to realize is that it's not unpopular enough and not with the right people. For the GOP base, they may disagree wholeheartedly but what are they going to do? Vote for a abortionist gun-grabbing Democrat? For Dems, the best use of these things is barrage the election cycle with negative news about the GOP. Failed policies, bad ideas, myopic leadership. Bad bad bad bad. Suck the energy right ou…

Also, everyone to the right of Antifa have been told Net Neutrality was disguised legislation to censor conservative opinions. Given how completely Twitter, Facebook, Google, et al censor right-leaning political opinions, and they're big pro-NN orgs, it wasn't a hard sell. Unfortunately, NN has become yet another casualty in these weird post-fact times.

Twitter == Trump

I'm struggling to imagine who's to the right of Trump. Genghis Khan? But he's dead. Self-described neo-reactionary Peter Thiel?

Re: Net Neutrality to Get U.S. Senate Vote as Democrats Force Issue

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Post by specialist »

lurr wrote: post #90
viridian wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately that voting block doesn't line up with reality, as least from the stats I know for the presidential elections. A given voter that voted for party X's candidate four years ago, if they vote again, will vote for party X's candidate about 92% of the time. This means that in the pool of 'likely voters', the two parties are realistically fighting over 8% of hearts and minds.

Then why didn't clinton win easily?

HRC got nearly 3m more votes. That ain't nothing.

Re: Net Neutrality to Get U.S. Senate Vote as Democrats Force Issue

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Post by specialist »

oceanstone wrote: post #62
Steltek wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think what people fail to realize is that it's not unpopular enough and not with the right people. For the GOP base, they may disagree wholeheartedly but what are they going to do? Vote for a abortionist gun-grabbing Democrat? For Dems, the best use of these things is barrage the election cycle with negative news about the GOP. Failed policies, bad ideas, myopic leadership. Bad bad bad bad. Suck the energy right ou…

You didn't mention the largest voting block, voters who don't strongly identify with either party.

The largest voting block are the people who don't.

Re: Net Neutrality to Get U.S. Senate Vote as Democrats Force Issue

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Post by meddlepal »

lurr wrote: post #92
meddlepal wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Framing it as "Good" vs "Evil" is half the problem. The real issue is a lot of the left have assigned morality to policy decisions and concepts about how government should work. You may strongly disagree with scaling back the EPA, FDA, banking regulation, Net Neutrality and who knows what other regulations but that does not scaling or removing regulation evil. The rhetoric from the left that any disagreement with the…

Okay, how about shortsighted, stupid, corrupt, etc...? This also sounds like an argument for political correctness.

None of those are exclusive attributes of the right. Democrats have done lots of all of the above.

For example, stupid and shortsighted... the Employer Mandate for health insurance which had the unintended consequence of businesses realizing it was cheaper to hire an extra employee or two so that they didn't have to make anyone Full Time employees and pay for insurance or get hit by the penalty tax.

Democrats and and pro-Union policies also generally have lots of dumb shortsighted unintended consequences for how businesses operate.

Don't even start with corruption. Both sides are corrupt in their own ways.

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