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Apple shareholders push for study of phone addiction in children

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Re: Apple shareholders push for study of phone addiction in children

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Full disclosure: I work for a company called DnsLearning (although we are rebranding to StudyCity) Our system is simple, you point your child's device at a DNS server then add various accounts to supported educational sites like Khan Academy, Duolingo, Prodigy Math, etc. Our server detects when your child earns points on these platforms and disables access to non-educational (junk) sites until they earn X points to u…

Your company doesn't appear to have a privacy policy or anything similar on the website, assuming that site is at dnslearning.org. How are you monetizing this? What kind of data are you collecting, and what are you doing with it?

Just add /privacy to the url.

I can't include the full url here because my posts don't show up. I assume because I posted about it too much or some vast right/left wing conspiracy against my startup :)

Re: Apple shareholders push for study of phone addiction in children

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I generally agree about tablets vs. TV -- except it's easy to find some terrible content on YouTube very quickly. Don't underestimate how impressionable kids are--even teens--by some cool YouTube stars who set bad examples.

Which begs the question: If the interactions with the tablet boil down to just passively consuming content, like on YouTube, are they really that different to TVs? As enjoyable as YouTube and similar streaming services are, they are pretty much still TVs, just with millions upon millions of different channels to chose from.

YouTube also caters to a shorter-attention-span viewer than TV. After getting hooked on YouTube, it's hard(er) for kids to sit through a 22 or 45 minute TV show.

Re: Apple shareholders push for study of phone addiction in children

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"Virtue signalling" mostly means: thinking that the public generally thinks that certain things are good and certain things are bad, and so—whether or not you think those things personally—you know that it's good PR to support consensus-good things and be outraged by consensus-bad things. Virtue signalling is at its most stark when the "good" thing is known to not actually be good, and yet companies do it anyway beca…

Thanks. But it seems like there are old terms that more accurately describe these cases - hypocrisy, or deception. And neither hypocrisy nor deception applies (I think) to the case described in this article. Maybe a more accurate way of phrasing my complaint "virtue signaling" is a grab bag that means one of two things: saying that a good thing is good and genuinely believing it (though perhaps being louder about say…

But the point is to have a word that points to the thing that is in common between those two cases: the action of professing a belief because it is good PR, whether or not it is true. It is the single-act equivalent of what would be referred to as "sociopathic narcissism" if it was a continuous property of a person: a desire to look good that will use the truth if the truth suits, or a lie if a lie suits, without caring which is which.

To be clear, usages of the term "virtue signalling" to describe the behaviour of an individual, don't usually usually imply the same degree of sociopathy that it does when applied to the actions of a corporation. An individual doing "virtue signalling" is simply learning signals that tend to make people react by calling them a good person, and then parroting those signals, without necessarily doing much to learn about the content of those signals.

A better term for the individual behaviour might be "cargo-cult virtuousness"—which makes even more sense when put together with an assumption that people will be cargo-culting the "ritual" of a virtuous behaviour from other people who also cargo-culted the ritual, and so the ritual being performed will decay in this retransmission until it consists only of the observable actions that get people to call you virtuous, without holding any of the content that actually is virtuous.

Which is to say, in an environment with centralized teachings of moral ritual (like a religious congregation with active preaching), the only kind of virtue signalling that works is to actually do consensus-virtuous acts, because everyone is both aware of what the virtuous rituals are, and also aware that everyone else is aware of what the virtuous rituals are. In such an environment, it requires an active intent toward deception to merely signal virtue.

Meanwhile, in an environment where the idea of virtuous ritual is merely spread memetically, between families and peer groups, it is easy for a the idea of a virtuous ritual to become corrupted such that people can actually think themselves virtuous (and others can actually think that person virtuous) based solely on the performance of the "hollowed out" virtue ritual.

To reiterate, the point of virtue-signalling is to point to the thing that goes on in both contexts above: the thing that is active deception in communities with centrally-dictated virtue ritual; and the thing that is unquestioned cargo-cult-ism in communities with peerwise-transmitted virtue ritual.

Re: Apple shareholders push for study of phone addiction in children

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I've recently made an active effort to combat this — now I mind my posture almost obsessively.

What have you done, or what change have you made to keep posture in mind?

Started doing back-strengthening workouts, and try to stand a lot more during the day at work.

Also don't let myself use my phone while walking, as that was a big issue for a while.

Re: Apple shareholders push for study of phone addiction in children

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Your company doesn't appear to have a privacy policy or anything similar on the website, assuming that site is at dnslearning.org. How are you monetizing this? What kind of data are you collecting, and what are you doing with it?

Just add /privacy to the url. I can't include the full url here because my posts don't show up. I assume because I posted about it too much or some vast right/left wing conspiracy against my startup :)

That privacy policy tells me absolutely nothing about the data your service collects from the people who use it, and very little about anything else either for that matter.

It's also incomplete. No offense, but it honestly looks like someone tried to copy and paste a privacy policy from somewhere else, but didn't get the whole thing. It ends at "Security", with nothing beneath - not that any of what was above provided much information to begin with.

Re: Apple shareholders push for study of phone addiction in children

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Just add /privacy to the url. I can't include the full url here because my posts don't show up. I assume because I posted about it too much or some vast right/left wing conspiracy against my startup :)

That privacy policy tells me absolutely nothing about the data your service collects from the people who use it, and very little about anything else either for that matter. It's also incomplete. No offense, but it honestly looks like someone tried to copy and paste a privacy policy from somewhere else, but didn't get the whole thing. It ends at "Security", with nothing beneath - not that any of what was above provide…

Good points, we will make it more clear. Feel free to email us to discuss in detail. I see from your comment history your concern about privacy and don't want to lose a user because of a misunderstanding about our intentions.

Note here is a post from way back when I asked if anyone did what I wanted for my child.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9299697

Re: Apple shareholders push for study of phone addiction in children

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I was delighted to find out Nintendo took the care to approach this issue the way they did. If I had children, I would definitely buy a Nintendo Switch for them because of their focus in this aspect. Since I don't have any, I bought the Switch for myself instead. =)

I bought the switch for my 6 year old son for Christmas, his first console, because it was geared for younger kids and had these controls. Unfortunately it seems most of the games are really still aimed at 10+, so I've had to start playing the games with him.

My 7 year old finished Zelda several times without a lot of help (mostly early on we helped to show how to cook, etc) ... I do recommend Super Mario odyssey or Lego City though - may be more age appropriate.

Re: Apple shareholders push for study of phone addiction in children

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Full disclosure: I work for a company called DnsLearning (although we are rebranding to StudyCity) Our system is simple, you point your child's device at a DNS server then add various accounts to supported educational sites like Khan Academy, Duolingo, Prodigy Math, etc. Our server detects when your child earns points on these platforms and disables access to non-educational (junk) sites until they earn X points to u…

I'd rather see this implemented in a way that didn't involve a third party collecting data about children.

We allow customers to decide how long their data is retained

Re: Apple shareholders push for study of phone addiction in children

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The innovative and battery preserving e-ink screens, such as those used in the Yotaphone, would help with this problem massively. In fact, I bet it would fix it. There are many undiscovered problems we're all suffering from when we use these bright, colorful screens. E-ink technology fixes most of them.

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Having watched my kid build bizarre red-stone power contraptions in minecraft, picking up the basics of logic circuits along the way, I disagree.

That's still no replacement for basic formal mathematics and linguistic skills, such as how to craft a good text. I value my kids learning the multiplication tables and understanding fundamental geometric concepts. Universe is built on math and the society is built on math and writing. I'm not denying Kerbal and Minecraft are stimulating for kids but no way can they replace the fundamentals. In the general sense. If…

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