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Albert Hofmann discovers the effects of LSD (1943)

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Re: Albert Hofmann discovers the effects of LSD (1943)

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Post by saiya-jin »

3131s wrote: post #28
deno wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> A thumbprint is a method of consuming a massive amount of lsd, where a massive (relatively, compared to a blotter dose) amount of lsd crystals are made into a small pile, pressed on with a thumb, and then the thumb into the mouth. The ROA is still oral.

Sure, but the accounts of thumbprinting I've read made it seem like there is a strong sensation almost immediately after touching it. I also know people who have described a contact high from laying sheets of LSD. Hmm... I could be wrong though.

That is most probably not true at all. Any stuff put on rather thick skin of our fingers (especially solid crystals, unlike some liquid) would take considerable amount of time to get into bloodstream and finally brain. Look at how long does it take for a space cake to kick in, and it goes to places specifically designed to dissolve & absorb material.

Don't believe all written on internet (says internet comment :))

Re: Albert Hofmann discovers the effects of LSD (1943)

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Post by joosters »

INTPenis wrote: post #9

I love reading his trip report, it really pulls you in. But what irks me is the website. I opened it on my pixel c and started reading, after about one paragraph the whole screen went dark. I didn't understand why, checked my screen light level from the shortcut menu but moved on thinking the light sensor was wack and wanting to keep reading. Several paragraphs after the first image I see the damn pop up. This frenzy…

I have this handy bookmark that will remove all top-level unmovable HTML on a page. One click will generally remove all popups and banners that obstruct viewing:

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(I hope that doesn't get mangled by HN formatting)

For a tiny piece of javascript, it works amazingly well on so many websites. Give it a try!

Re: Albert Hofmann discovers the effects of LSD (1943)

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Post by fapjacks »

sev wrote: post #5
Synaesthesia wrote: post #4

What’s interesting is when LSD was first discovered and popularized with psychiatrists, it was considered a “model psychosis” - inducing a temporary state of psychosis which researchers could use to study mental problems. That theory was discredited in the late 60’s when it got banned (it was one of the reasons why it was supposed to have no medical value). I believe there’s a lot of truth to it, from my experience i…

Looking at the definition of psychosis: > a severe mental disorder in which thought and emotions are so impaired that contact is lost with external reality. Based on my research, typical (and even greater than typical) recreational doses of LSD do not cause a “severe mental disorder” as described in the definition. At “raves”, for example, lots of people are under the influence and yet they have not lost contact with…

Salvia does this. It causes powerful hallucinations and also is highly dissociative.

Re: Albert Hofmann discovers the effects of LSD (1943)

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Post by andrepd »

sev wrote: post #5
Synaesthesia wrote: post #4

What’s interesting is when LSD was first discovered and popularized with psychiatrists, it was considered a “model psychosis” - inducing a temporary state of psychosis which researchers could use to study mental problems. That theory was discredited in the late 60’s when it got banned (it was one of the reasons why it was supposed to have no medical value). I believe there’s a lot of truth to it, from my experience i…

Looking at the definition of psychosis: > a severe mental disorder in which thought and emotions are so impaired that contact is lost with external reality. Based on my research, typical (and even greater than typical) recreational doses of LSD do not cause a “severe mental disorder” as described in the definition. At “raves”, for example, lots of people are under the influence and yet they have not lost contact with…

And what research is that, other than personal experiences and/or a hunch (not trying to be a jerk, just genuinely asking)?

Re: Albert Hofmann discovers the effects of LSD (1943)

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Post by sillysaurus3 »

joosters wrote: post #42
INTPenis wrote: post #9

I love reading his trip report, it really pulls you in. But what irks me is the website. I opened it on my pixel c and started reading, after about one paragraph the whole screen went dark. I didn't understand why, checked my screen light level from the shortcut menu but moved on thinking the light sensor was wack and wanting to keep reading. Several paragraphs after the first image I see the damn pop up. This frenzy…

I have this handy bookmark that will remove all top-level unmovable HTML on a page. One click will generally remove all popups and banners that obstruct viewing: javascript:(function()%7B(function%20()%20%7Bvar%20i%2C%20elements%20%3D%20document.querySelectorAll('body%20*')%3Bfor%20(i%20%3D%200%3B%20i%20%3C%20elements.length%3B%20i%2B%2B)%20%7Bif%20(getComputedStyle(elements%5Bi%5D).position%20%3D%3D%3D%20'fixed')%20…

Here's my modified version of Kill Sticky:

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The nice part is that some websites do the stupid scroll block thing, where you can't scroll even after removing the elements. This script undoes that.

I'll give yours a try too.

Re: Albert Hofmann discovers the effects of LSD (1943)

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Post by mrd999 »

shams93 wrote: post #13
sev wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Looking at the definition of psychosis: > a severe mental disorder in which thought and emotions are so impaired that contact is lost with external reality. Based on my research, typical (and even greater than typical) recreational doses of LSD do not cause a “severe mental disorder” as described in the definition. At “raves”, for example, lots of people are under the influence and yet they have not lost contact with…

It only has that effect when they gave it to people in test trials in terrible settings like mental institution s and prisons which is why Dr Leary was adamant about set and setting

If you consider the entirety of your consciousness and the structure of thought processes and sensory perceptions.. If LSD blurs all these things, mixes and merges them a bit with excessive neural activity.. It's clear to see your sensory input will have a significant effect on the experience. Even in this regard, we can consider all the possible associations a given external stimulus will trigger in the brain.

External stimuli may be one of the few contributors of the experience that has a significant temporal persistence, possibly giving it substantial influence.

Re: Albert Hofmann discovers the effects of LSD (1943)

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Post by blubb-fish »

Synaesthesia wrote: post #4

What’s interesting is when LSD was first discovered and popularized with psychiatrists, it was considered a “model psychosis” - inducing a temporary state of psychosis which researchers could use to study mental problems. That theory was discredited in the late 60’s when it got banned (it was one of the reasons why it was supposed to have no medical value). I believe there’s a lot of truth to it, from my experience i…

> I believe there’s a lot of truth to it, from my experience it totally matches a mini psychotic event.

From Wikipedia: "Psychosis is an abnormal condition of the mind that involves a loss of contact with reality."

If we use this definition I'd be inclined to differ. LSD only to some extent and under certain circumstances will cause of loss of contact with reality. In my experience LSD intensifies perception and affect to such an extent that it can become overwhelming. It also alternates how we see things.

Like overclocking a CPU will make it faster and more useful until a point where starts to work unreliable.

Re: Albert Hofmann discovers the effects of LSD (1943)

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Post by blubb-fish »

matt4077 wrote: post #12
Synaesthesia wrote: post #4

What’s interesting is when LSD was first discovered and popularized with psychiatrists, it was considered a “model psychosis” - inducing a temporary state of psychosis which researchers could use to study mental problems. That theory was discredited in the late 60’s when it got banned (it was one of the reasons why it was supposed to have no medical value). I believe there’s a lot of truth to it, from my experience i…

I can't speak to the similarity psychosis, never having experienced it. But, in a similar vain, I think anyone who has ever had an experience with LSD was simply blown away by the "Deep Dream" visualisations. The similarity is so obvious that one cannot escape the conclusion that neural nets are actually similar to the brain in some profound ways, especially if you consider that "Deep Dream" was an open-ended experim…

I'd second that. The strongest sensation of that kind I had when mixing 4-Aco-DMT (a psilocin prodrug) with LSD. I suddenly saw eyes in random places. Was fun - not creepy at all.

Re: Albert Hofmann discovers the effects of LSD (1943)

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Post by blubb-fish »

golergka wrote: post #15
sev wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Looking at the definition of psychosis: > a severe mental disorder in which thought and emotions are so impaired that contact is lost with external reality. Based on my research, typical (and even greater than typical) recreational doses of LSD do not cause a “severe mental disorder” as described in the definition. At “raves”, for example, lots of people are under the influence and yet they have not lost contact with…

> At “raves”, for example, lots of people are under the influence and yet they have not lost contact with external reality. Taking LSD is a strange choice for a rave, IMO; you want less visual and audio stimulation under it's influence, not more. MDMA, MDA, 2CB, amphetamines, mephedrone and other similar substances (and their mixes in ecstasy pills) are much more rave-friendly.

> IMO; you want less visual and audio stimulation under it's influence, not more.

What one is going to feel overwhelming on a trip or what is going to synergize is in my experience extremely individual. I find crowds of people or mostly any strangers quite discomforting while music and movies are like pure bliss.

Re: Albert Hofmann discovers the effects of LSD (1943)

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Post by justherefortart »

Synaesthesia wrote: post #4

What’s interesting is when LSD was first discovered and popularized with psychiatrists, it was considered a “model psychosis” - inducing a temporary state of psychosis which researchers could use to study mental problems. That theory was discredited in the late 60’s when it got banned (it was one of the reasons why it was supposed to have no medical value). I believe there’s a lot of truth to it, from my experience i…

In my experience doing LSD with a bunch of people over the years, you experience your moods, feelings, and fears.

So if you take it and you're not in a happy or content place, it's not fun.

I never had a bad trip. Maybe luckily but maybe as a result of having a lot of friends that did a lot of drugs while I abstained. I did research for a few years before trying anything and added in my own anecdotal evidence of babysitting all my friends.

LSD probably is what helped me find my place in the world and killed the crippling depression I had as a child. Likely helped my 'autistic' behaviors as well.

I don't credit it with revolutionizing my life, but it was certainly a catalyst. Of course, take this with a grain of 'salt' ;-)

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