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Quantum 'spooky action at a distance' becoming practical?

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Re: Quantum 'spooky action at a distance' becoming practical?

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Quantum entanglement is such a neat phenomenon, but secure communication feels like such a boring application. How much extra security would a quantumly protected communication channel provide over just using some really heavy encryption sent in a normal manner?

You would know that a third party is not even storing your encrypted data for a future time when that encryption method/implementation may become obsolete.

Re: Quantum 'spooky action at a distance' becoming practical?

#12
post #7

Quantum entanglement is such a neat phenomenon, but secure communication feels like such a boring application. How much extra security would a quantumly protected communication channel provide over just using some really heavy encryption sent in a normal manner?

Seems to me you avoid the problem of large bad actors collecting a lot of encrypted data with the goals of decyrypting one day with better hardware.

That said, who knows what kinda fun could be had with the side channels of our own physics system.

Re: Quantum 'spooky action at a distance' becoming practical?

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post #7

Quantum entanglement is such a neat phenomenon, but secure communication feels like such a boring application. How much extra security would a quantumly protected communication channel provide over just using some really heavy encryption sent in a normal manner?

That observation of the communication would break the link, versus capture and (attempt to) decrypt?

That to me seems like the coolest possibility.

Encryption that breaks if someone other than the authorized parties observes it. Something which isn't possible with "traditional" encryption.

Re: Quantum 'spooky action at a distance' becoming practical?

#14
post #8

Sadly even if we achieve quantum communication it will be only be for military and governments as we have already seen how government and law enfrocement all over the world has been against secure communication between people.

I’m as dystopian and paranoid as the next guy, but come on... we’re using the results of ARPANET night now. Our devices have GPS. We can use whatever encryption we like (for now). The governments of most of the world monopolizing a means of communication for long, is unlikely.

Re: Quantum 'spooky action at a distance' becoming practical?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That observation of the communication would break the link, versus capture and (attempt to) decrypt?

That to me seems like the coolest possibility. Encryption that breaks if someone other than the authorized parties observes it. Something which isn't possible with "traditional" encryption.

Sounds like a denial of service attack though. Just keep trying to read messages and render the channel unusable.

Re: Quantum 'spooky action at a distance' becoming practical?

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post #7

Quantum entanglement is such a neat phenomenon, but secure communication feels like such a boring application. How much extra security would a quantumly protected communication channel provide over just using some really heavy encryption sent in a normal manner?

That observation of the communication would break the link, versus capture and (attempt to) decrypt?

That seems very exploitable, an enemy could theoretically intercept all your communications, just to prevent you from communicating.

Re: Quantum 'spooky action at a distance' becoming practical?

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That observation of the communication would break the link, versus capture and (attempt to) decrypt?

That seems very exploitable, an enemy could theoretically intercept all your communications, just to prevent you from communicating.

All encryption across channels currently still functions with a man in the middle being able to intercept all traffic between 2 parties. Look into RSA and Diffie-Hellman.

Re: Quantum 'spooky action at a distance' becoming practical?

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post #7

Quantum entanglement is such a neat phenomenon, but secure communication feels like such a boring application. How much extra security would a quantumly protected communication channel provide over just using some really heavy encryption sent in a normal manner?

Seems to me you avoid the problem of large bad actors collecting a lot of encrypted data with the goals of decyrypting one day with better hardware. That said, who knows what kinda fun could be had with the side channels of our own physics system.

One-time pads seem like a much easier solution, and they're never breakable given any amount of computation. They require upfront preparation to trade the pad, but seem a lot easier than quantum anything.

Re: Quantum 'spooky action at a distance' becoming practical?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems to me you avoid the problem of large bad actors collecting a lot of encrypted data with the goals of decyrypting one day with better hardware. That said, who knows what kinda fun could be had with the side channels of our own physics system.

One-time pads seem like a much easier solution, and they're never breakable given any amount of computation. They require upfront preparation to trade the pad, but seem a lot easier than quantum anything.

I'm in the camp that quantum cryptography (i.e. quantum key exchange) is silly. If quantum key exchange is not easier to use than a one-time pad, that's an argument against both, not an argument for a one-time pad. One-time pads are approximately never worth their effort, and in the modal case would just encourage poorer security overall.

Re: Quantum 'spooky action at a distance' becoming practical?

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That to me seems like the coolest possibility. Encryption that breaks if someone other than the authorized parties observes it. Something which isn't possible with "traditional" encryption.

Sounds like a denial of service attack though. Just keep trying to read messages and render the channel unusable.

This kind of observation would already require physical access to the communications medium (e.g. a fiber optic cable). So if you could DoS a quantum encrypted channel by measuring it, you could equally well DoS a classical channel by just cutting the fiber.
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