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Re: Teens Aren’t Partying Anymore

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Post by murph-almighty » Thu, Jan 04, 2018, 1:58 PM UTC

watwut wrote: post #118

murph-almighty wrote: post #81

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>extraordinary scrutiny into campus parties I was involved in Greek life in college and can testify. Not only did we need to register our parties with the university but we still had to worry about police presence and legal liability. This isn't to say that these policies should be repealed- dumb people did dumb things, and thus these came into place, but it doesn't remove the fact that it's getting harder to hold a…

What would be the reas on for citing? I mean, you need to break some law for the cop to do so. I am pretty sure it is possible to have drinking party without dping something illegal (harder with marihuanna and that should be lagalized imo).

By virtue of anyone being under 21 there (which was usually about 2/3s of those attending, since most older people went to bars) we were doing something illegal. Additionally, noise complaint citations were a thing, and were often the reason why the cops came in the first place. Not that we were trying to be obnoxious about it, but when you pile 80-100 people in one location they're not going to be quiet.

I also think that the consequences of being cited have increased, or at least became more complicated. I (and many people I knew) were paranoid about running into legal trouble because of job prospects. Any opportunity to get a citation expunged was worth it.

Re: Teens Aren’t Partying Anymore

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Post by ahartman00 » Thu, Jan 04, 2018, 5:51 PM UTC

workthrowaway27 wrote: post #101

dragonwriter wrote: post #91

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> Society is sick, let's face it, and technology is largely to blame. Technology is never to blame for anything, because technology is not a moral actor; people may be to blame for the manner in which they use technology. OTOH, people have been falsely conflating “the youth of today seem to have a different lifestyle than I preferred in my youth” with “society is sick” for at least as long as we have historical evide…

There's lots of evidence that people in their early 20s and under are psychologically different than older people (higher rates of anxiety/depression at the same age, etc.). Anecdotally, I've noticed that people don't talk to strangers as much on planes anymore as when I was a child. I guess you could argue that technology isn't to blame, but technology changes people. And it's hard not to use technology when it's so…

Not sure if there is any research, but I have noticed that younger people seem to be more open to talking about mental illnesses like depression. I have even seen people on Twitch talking about their illness to the chat! That was unthinkable in my day, and I'm only in my low 30's.

If there is less stigma in admitting it, people are going to come forward more. Thus more cases are recorded. Which is good, as then they can get help. I remember people saying you need to see a shrink as an insult. Imagine people making fun of you for seeing a doctor about your broken leg!

Re: Teens Aren’t Partying Anymore

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Post by ahartman00 » Thu, Jan 04, 2018, 6:09 PM UTC

graphitezepp wrote: post #59

maroonblazer wrote: post #27

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> I really feel like they’re missing out on a developmental milestone. Are they though? Those milestones can take many different forms, as evidenced by the fact that "giant parties" are a relatively recent phenomenon, historically speaking.

Kids are missing out on developmental milestones, I know I did. It doesn't have to be parties. The just hanging out thing is down too according to the article. Many people are leaving their teen years far too sheltered and socially underdeveloped, because indulging in endless digital distraction takes up more and more of our time as a society.

I've been wondering for years now, what is the difference between hanging out irl, and a chat room, or Facebook, or whatever? Not trying to be rude, but I just don't get how talking to your friends in meat space is socializing, but talking to your friends on the phone is a distraction?

I agree with you on the sheltered thing.

Re: Teens Aren’t Partying Anymore

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Post by Casseres » Thu, Jan 04, 2018, 8:33 PM UTC

codekilla wrote: post #349

mixmastamyk wrote: post #337

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Don’t like pink or princess stuff for my daughter, but a few minor things slipped through the cracks. Should I get rid of them?

We struggled quite a bit with this question. I think our initial instinct was to be a bit militant about it, but the reality is there is so much of this in our society that unless you're willing to go full Captain Fantastic they will inevitably be exposed to these types of things growing up. It happens through relatives, well-meaning friends, birthday parties, school, media, etc, it's impossible to try and weed it al…

What are your thoughts on Captain Fantastic?

Re: Teens Aren’t Partying Anymore

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Post by codekilla » Fri, Jan 05, 2018, 1:03 AM UTC

Casseres wrote: post #364

codekilla wrote: post #349

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We struggled quite a bit with this question. I think our initial instinct was to be a bit militant about it, but the reality is there is so much of this in our society that unless you're willing to go full Captain Fantastic they will inevitably be exposed to these types of things growing up. It happens through relatives, well-meaning friends, birthday parties, school, media, etc, it's impossible to try and weed it al…

What are your thoughts on Captain Fantastic?

I think it is tapping into the concerns of some, like for instance Alan Kay, that television, apps, screens, media, etc have successfully captured a good portion of the attention span of a very wide swath of our population. It questions whether or not this is a good thing, especially for kids, and whether they would be better served removed from this exposure, or if isolation in itself presents risks..ie social development. I guess I agree with the sentiment, but I don't think people need to go to the extremes. The 'extreme' thing I did was get rid of the T.V., so basically I'm the only person with kids that I know that does not have one in their living room...I guess that's weird enough?

Re: Teens Aren’t Partying Anymore

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Post by mixmastamyk » Fri, Jan 05, 2018, 2:33 AM UTC

codekilla wrote: post #365

Casseres wrote: post #364

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What are your thoughts on Captain Fantastic?

I think it is tapping into the concerns of some, like for instance Alan Kay, that television, apps, screens, media, etc have successfully captured a good portion of the attention span of a very wide swath of our population. It questions whether or not this is a good thing, especially for kids, and whether they would be better served removed from this exposure, or if isolation in itself presents risks..ie social devel…

I like your take, we also don’t have TV and limited device time, and as a result the kid loves to read.

Re: Teens Aren’t Partying Anymore

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Post by tremendulo » Fri, Jan 05, 2018, 4:18 AM UTC

dragonwriter wrote: post #244

tremendulo wrote: post #241

The weird thing for me is that instead of partying people are watching Netflix videos of fictional people partying. Which makes those people fictional indeed. Are we going to eventually have movies about watching movies, about playing video games, and so on?

> Are we going to eventually have movies about watching movies MST3K and it's descendants already exist. > about playing video games, Again, it's been done.

>MST3K

Thanks. Must check that out.

What I ought to have said: we've have had movies where movies or video games are part of the adventure e.g. Wargames (1983).

But an adventure takes place against a background of people living ordinary lives, which used to consist mainly of communal office work, socialising, chatting, families at the breakfast table and whatnot. Whereas now ordinary lives consist more and more of digital interaction. So the background will have to change too.

Re: Teens Aren’t Partying Anymore

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Post by codekilla » Fri, Jan 05, 2018, 7:42 AM UTC

mixmastamyk wrote: post #366

codekilla wrote: post #365

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I think it is tapping into the concerns of some, like for instance Alan Kay, that television, apps, screens, media, etc have successfully captured a good portion of the attention span of a very wide swath of our population. It questions whether or not this is a good thing, especially for kids, and whether they would be better served removed from this exposure, or if isolation in itself presents risks..ie social devel…

I like your take, we also don’t have TV and limited device time, and as a result the kid loves to read.

I hope all of my kids are avid readers, I would count that as success.

Re: Teens Aren’t Partying Anymore

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Post by gbell12 » Sun, Jan 07, 2018, 12:22 AM UTC

ashark wrote: post #73

westmeal wrote: post #9

I know, I know this is anecdotal 'evidence'. I happen to be 21 which fits me right in this generation and the main reason this occurs is due to parenting. My parents wouldn't let me go _anywhere_ by myself until I was at least 17. By that time I was completely and utterly addicted to computing to just let go and 'hang out'. As a matter in fact most of my friends are online rather than 4 real friends in real life. It…

If your parents had eliminated screens when you were very young (including theirs) save maybe one publicly-placed crappy terminal for wikipedia or looking up business hours or maps or learning you some programming or whatever, but loosened the reigns on hang-outs and travel, do you think you'd have still felt isolated because all your friends were still online most of the time? Asking as a parent with three young kid…

I'm a parent of 14 and 11 year-olds and we're always struggling with this. I'd like to chat with you about this further. Find me on #parents-with-tech on freenode IRC (I've invited one other parent I've found).

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Post by gbell12 » Sun, Jan 07, 2018, 12:22 AM UTC

artur_makly wrote: post #342

ashark wrote: post #73

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If your parents had eliminated screens when you were very young (including theirs) save maybe one publicly-placed crappy terminal for wikipedia or looking up business hours or maps or learning you some programming or whatever, but loosened the reigns on hang-outs and travel, do you think you'd have still felt isolated because all your friends were still online most of the time? Asking as a parent with three young kid…

this IS the biggest parental challenge of the century since it will affect every cognitive, emotional, and social development of our next gen. My wife and I decided to ban our son (now 5) from all digital consumption as long as possible. we went hard-edged when we noticed his uncontrollable addiction. it was all he asked for daily. nothing else mattered. no interest in the robot cubetto we bought him, reading, playin…

I'm a parent of 14 and 11 year-olds and we're always struggling with this. I'd like to chat with you about this further. Find me on #parents-with-tech on freenode IRC (I've invited one other parent I've found).