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Re: Leaving htop running freezes macOS High Sierra

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High Sierra seems like a great OS if you want an unstable workstation that doesn't work with tools you've used everyday for well over a decade.

I also, am seriously considering downgrading from High Sierra for various stability problems... i hope Apple fixes whatever went wrong.

Did they shift too much developers to iOS and forgot about macOS?

Re: Leaving htop running freezes macOS High Sierra

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I'm not a developer, but I knew developers were previously content with Macbooks usually running OSX or linux. Given so much unhappiness with OSX, and the inability to run linux on the USB-C macbook pros, what are developers generally doing? The Apple hardware is nice, but it generally means you have to use OSX. Windows WSL is pretty convenient, but then you have to use Windows. Linux is, of course, great, but what h…

Apple hardware was nice. Not anymore. I had to have the keyboard replaced on my touchbar model. And the 8 Gig memory limit is silly. Thanks to an external keyboard and vagrant I get to spend most of my time on linux with a good keyboard, so it is tolerable for now. I would dump it for a linux laptop, but I work remote so every type of video chat/screen share tool needs to work. Most of them don't work on linux. My co…

> And the 8 Gig memory limit is silly.

You mean 16, not 8.

Re: Leaving htop running freezes macOS High Sierra

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I've had a similair problem with Transmission for years. Doing more then a few transfers locks up transmission and then the entire machine. Issuing a halt at the terminal sometimes will reboot the machine, but moist of the time it just hangs. I would switch but to what? Windows/Linux are just as user hostile.

I'd say OS X is hostile now - after doing maintenance on a 2015 Macbook over the holidays.

I'd agree. It's just relative.

Re: Leaving htop running freezes macOS High Sierra

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I hit a breaking point with the Apple laptops a couple of years ago. It was actually iTunes that drove me off. iTunes Match somehow corrupted and lost a bunch of my music. Forever gone and I didn't have backups. After working with Support for a while, I finally gave up and bought a new ThinkPad T470s and put Arch Linux on it and never looked back. Things work really well and predictably. I have it dialed in just how…

Was it hard to move off Retina and reasonable touchpad? I am considering similar route, but these are the two things that keep me on Apple.

If you choose a ThinkPad, the trackpoint, three mouse buttons and the perfect keyboard together are such a nice combination I actually disabled the touchpad from bios.

Re: Leaving htop running freezes macOS High Sierra

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High Sierra seems like a great OS if you want an unstable workstation that doesn't work with tools you've used everyday for well over a decade.

I'm on macOS High Sierra for the spontaneity. Every morning, I go to wake my Macbook Pro with two 4K USB-C connected displays and external keyboard and mouse. Will one display turn on? Both? Neither? Who knows!

Same here, but 2x LG 5K monitors.

1. Stopped using clamshell mode (laptop lid closed) and that has helped.

2. Downloaded the LG firmware update for the monitors. Updated both monitors, also seems much more reliable.

(10 day uptime, up from about the usual 12 hours)

Re: Leaving htop running freezes macOS High Sierra

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post #201

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I hit a breaking point with the Apple laptops a couple of years ago. It was actually iTunes that drove me off. iTunes Match somehow corrupted and lost a bunch of my music. Forever gone and I didn't have backups. After working with Support for a while, I finally gave up and bought a new ThinkPad T470s and put Arch Linux on it and never looked back. Things work really well and predictably. I have it dialed in just how…

I stuck with the hardware (albeit quite old) and went linux for similar reasons. The older hardware can be quite nice with linux, but my next notebook wont be a mac, not due to value for money (spec and built quality balance is actually quite good for price these days), but because all attempts to run linux or any OSS on the more recent models are a disaster.

Try a modern ThinkPad with Intel graphics. I promise, it will work great.

Re: Leaving htop running freezes macOS High Sierra

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post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hit a breaking point with the Apple laptops a couple of years ago. It was actually iTunes that drove me off. iTunes Match somehow corrupted and lost a bunch of my music. Forever gone and I didn't have backups. After working with Support for a while, I finally gave up and bought a new ThinkPad T470s and put Arch Linux on it and never looked back. Things work really well and predictably. I have it dialed in just how…

Was it hard to move off Retina and reasonable touchpad? I am considering similar route, but these are the two things that keep me on Apple.

I got used to the touchpad with time and the touchpad drivers have improved, too. It's really not a big deal at all after a few weeks.

HiDPI is generally pretty decent although it's slightly annoying that different layers of the graphics stack (Xorg, GTK2, GTK3, etc.) have different mechanisms for tweaking the scaling but with a few evenings of work, I have everything dialed. A small price to pay for years of use to come. The Arch Linux wiki is super helpful for this.

Re: Leaving htop running freezes macOS High Sierra

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> Was this a clean install or was it upgraded from a previous version of macOS? You do realize, don't you, that if this is a relevant question I already have cause to complain? It's been the future for some time now, give us reliable upgrades already.

You do realize, don't you, that if this is a relevant question I already have cause to complain? It's been the future for some time now, give us reliable upgrades already. Yes, it’s the future, but as I mentioned, the Mac I’m running High Sierra on is nearly 10 years-old—it shipped with a version of Snow Leopard, MacOS x 10.6. That was 7 major operating system releases ago—pretty sure nobody at Apple tested upgrading…

I'm not saying it's easy, I'm saying they should have solved it anyway. For a company that prides itself on (and charges for) high quality user friendly products, reliable software upgrades should be foundational. The double-edged sword argument only makes sense if you assume it's impossible, when in fact it's only the preventable (given Apple's control) accumulation of cruft that makes it expensive. Upgrades certainly would have made a better investment than removing headphone jacks, or adding the touch bar, or almost anything that went into High Sierra.

Yeah, I'm an idealist. Sue me.

Re: Leaving htop running freezes macOS High Sierra

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To get a working install it was very easy. I just grabbed the latest FreeBSD 12 snapshot iso and put it on a usb drive and installed like normal. Everything but the wifi works. So I'm using a usb wifi dongle. You need the new (experimental) drm-next code and drivers for suspend and resume support. If your comfortable with a unix command line environment you can get a working dev environment in a couple hours. So besi…

I’m toying with converting mine from arch to FBSD on the same machine — where did you get the drm-next bits? Is it from Ports or a branch on /usr/src? I bought a dongle to try it out but somehow ended up with one of the few unsupported ones... which one are you using?

  sudo pkg install drm-next-kmod 
The command above should get you the required drivers and stuff. Then follow the directions that are displayed after running that command.

The USB wifi dongle is a TP-LINK TL-WN725N. I found it at my local Microcenter.

Re: Leaving htop running freezes macOS High Sierra

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To get a working install it was very easy. I just grabbed the latest FreeBSD 12 snapshot iso and put it on a usb drive and installed like normal. Everything but the wifi works. So I'm using a usb wifi dongle. You need the new (experimental) drm-next code and drivers for suspend and resume support. If your comfortable with a unix command line environment you can get a working dev environment in a couple hours. So besi…

Nice! What usb dongle are you using for Wi-Fi, if you don't mind me asking?

No problem, I'm using a TP-LINK TL-WN725N. I found it at my local Microcenter for under $20. Otherwise look at this list of supported wifi NICS [1].

[1]: https://www.freebsd.org/releases/11.0R/hardware.html#wlan

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