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Re: Leaving htop running freezes macOS High Sierra

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Post by somethingsimple »

2trill2spill wrote: post #128
somethingsimple wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How much of a hassle was it to set it up? Are all peripherals working?

To get a working install it was very easy. I just grabbed the latest FreeBSD 12 snapshot iso and put it on a usb drive and installed like normal. Everything but the wifi works. So I'm using a usb wifi dongle. You need the new (experimental) drm-next code and drivers for suspend and resume support. If your comfortable with a unix command line environment you can get a working dev environment in a couple hours. So besi…

Nice! What usb dongle are you using for Wi-Fi, if you don't mind me asking?

Re: Leaving htop running freezes macOS High Sierra

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Post by Joeri »

glogla wrote: post #159
chrissnell wrote: post #117

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I hit a breaking point with the Apple laptops a couple of years ago. It was actually iTunes that drove me off. iTunes Match somehow corrupted and lost a bunch of my music. Forever gone and I didn't have backups. After working with Support for a while, I finally gave up and bought a new ThinkPad T470s and put Arch Linux on it and never looked back. Things work really well and predictably. I have it dialed in just how…

Was it hard to move off Retina and reasonable touchpad? I am considering similar route, but these are the two things that keep me on Apple.

reasonable touchpad?

You want to look for windows precision touchpad support. Turns out the problem with windows touchpads was not the hardware, but the crappy drivers touchpad vendors make. Microsoft made their own drivers and if you can get hardware compatible with those you'll have a much nicer experience.

Re: Leaving htop running freezes macOS High Sierra

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Post by nbsd4lyfe »

alwillis wrote: post #78
notadoc wrote: post #3

High Sierra seems like a great OS if you want an unstable workstation that doesn't work with tools you've used everyday for well over a decade.

This is why we can’t have nice things--random reports of things not working are pretty meaningless without context. Yes, it’s fodder to continue to dump on Apple—I get that. But it certainly doesn’t help solve the issue, assuming there’s really an issue in the first place. For the record, I’ve installed htop many dozens of times using Homebrew on a variety of Mac hardware and operating systems over the years and have…

You should blame whoever gave advance notice to Apple and allowed them to patch the issue, but didn't do the same for FreeBSD.

Re: Leaving htop running freezes macOS High Sierra

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Post by tomxor »

djsumdog wrote: post #55
notadoc wrote: post #17

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Well this is purely anecdotal, but at least 70% of the developers, IT workers, and researchers that I know are using prior generation MacBook Pro hardware (the ones without the touch bar or terrible keyboard, and with ports) and are intentionally using the older OSX versions. I know several people who traded in 2016/2017 models for 2015 models because it's literally an upgrade; get an older machine and you suddenly h…

I've been lucky that with my past three jobs, I've been able to use Linux naively. One place just had custom desktops, another HP workstations and the last I got a Dell laptop. I ran openSUSE on the HP, and Gentoo on the other two. One of the shops was an open source shop, so all 150+ of us ran some Linux distro (mostly Ubuntu/Debain, some Arch, some Mint .. I was the only Gentoo) except for the graphics people who g…

I'm in a similar scenario, we basically get freedom of choice over OS, with the caveat of being responsible for our own installs of course. This works well small scale with competent devs you can trust to take care of their own OS (we help each other out if needed obviously, but the point is that you become fairly self sufficient in that respect, no "IT dep" needed).

I know there are reasons this can't happen at large corporations such as security... more to do with contracts and culpability than measurable security improvement AFAIK.

I can't quite imagine _not_ having control over my work environment in this way in a job anymore and do greatly appreciate it. It's not all about familiarity, there are many objective reasons using certain proprietary OS can be a significant drain and inefficient, even more so for development work. This freedom would be a significant factor in considering a new job for me, even over pay because it's a big part of my "happiness" and "sanity" factor in the job.

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Post by wolrah »

codezero wrote: post #131
WWLink wrote: post #115

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I dunno what you're whining about, I've had multi monitor setups on several mac laptops and they've always worked fine. Same on my desktop. Same on my work desktop. It's almost always more reliable than doing it on Windows.

Ditto as I commented above, but I’ve heard these reports from lots of technical and smart people leading me to believe there’s a real reason. As others above have mentioned it sounds like laziness on the part of peripheral vendors, but it’s a bit surprising Apple doesn’t have a workaround that makes this not crop up.

> it’s a bit surprising Apple doesn’t have a workaround that makes this not crop up.

If the problem is in fact lazy device manufacturers botching the identification data then I'm not sure how a third party could effectively work around the issue.

If I make two devices that report identical ID information there's no practical way for the OS to tell them apart.

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Post by bluedino »

codezero wrote: post #130
malchow wrote: post #32

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I'm on macOS High Sierra for the spontaneity. Every morning, I go to wake my Macbook Pro with two 4K USB-C connected displays and external keyboard and mouse. Will one display turn on? Both? Neither? Who knows!

I am always baffled by these reports. I’ve had nothing but success with external monitors on my last three MacBooks. What is your setup out of curiosity? Monitor brand, connection type, cable brand etc. I’m assuming I’m an outlier because I see this in almost every thread that mentions MacBooks and I am real curious how it manifests. Edit: reading further comments it sounds like possibly the monitors use the same edi…

The LG 4/5k monitors Apple had in their own stores didn't work half the time

Re: Leaving htop running freezes macOS High Sierra

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Post by cyberpunk »

2trill2spill wrote: post #128
somethingsimple wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How much of a hassle was it to set it up? Are all peripherals working?

To get a working install it was very easy. I just grabbed the latest FreeBSD 12 snapshot iso and put it on a usb drive and installed like normal. Everything but the wifi works. So I'm using a usb wifi dongle. You need the new (experimental) drm-next code and drivers for suspend and resume support. If your comfortable with a unix command line environment you can get a working dev environment in a couple hours. So besi…

I’m toying with converting mine from arch to FBSD on the same machine — where did you get the drm-next bits? Is it from Ports or a branch on /usr/src? I bought a dongle to try it out but somehow ended up with one of the few unsupported ones... which one are you using?

Re: Leaving htop running freezes macOS High Sierra

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Post by dawnerd »

malchow wrote: post #32
notadoc wrote: post #3

High Sierra seems like a great OS if you want an unstable workstation that doesn't work with tools you've used everyday for well over a decade.

I'm on macOS High Sierra for the spontaneity. Every morning, I go to wake my Macbook Pro with two 4K USB-C connected displays and external keyboard and mouse. Will one display turn on? Both? Neither? Who knows!

Don’t forget it randomly picking what device to send audio to. Every day it’s a lottery for me. Is it the left or right monitor? The built in dac in my elgato dock? Or maybe it’s the laptop in clamshell mode.

Then there’s the case of it getting an ip from the docks ethernet.

And all of that is assuming the thing even wakes up.

Re: Leaving htop running freezes macOS High Sierra

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Post by dawnerd »

bluedino wrote: post #216
codezero wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am always baffled by these reports. I’ve had nothing but success with external monitors on my last three MacBooks. What is your setup out of curiosity? Monitor brand, connection type, cable brand etc. I’m assuming I’m an outlier because I see this in almost every thread that mentions MacBooks and I am real curious how it manifests. Edit: reading further comments it sounds like possibly the monitors use the same edi…

The LG 4/5k monitors Apple had in their own stores didn't work half the time

I do think the monitors are partly to blame. They seem to want to go into low power mode right before the computer sends a signal.

Re: Leaving htop running freezes macOS High Sierra

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Post by tbrock »

rubyn00bie wrote: post #7

Somewhat tangential but if htop is unusable, I’ve always liked Glances: https://nicolargo.github.io/glances/ Though it sounds like htop is a symptom not the problem.

Glances seems great but every time I go to use it it’s a pain to install. Python packaging... yuck!
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