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Re: Leaving htop running freezes macOS High Sierra

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Post by andrewflnr »

alwillis wrote: post #78
notadoc wrote: post #3

High Sierra seems like a great OS if you want an unstable workstation that doesn't work with tools you've used everyday for well over a decade.

This is why we can’t have nice things--random reports of things not working are pretty meaningless without context. Yes, it’s fodder to continue to dump on Apple—I get that. But it certainly doesn’t help solve the issue, assuming there’s really an issue in the first place. For the record, I’ve installed htop many dozens of times using Homebrew on a variety of Mac hardware and operating systems over the years and have…

> Was this a clean install or was it upgraded from a previous version of macOS?

You do realize, don't you, that if this is a relevant question I already have cause to complain? It's been the future for some time now, give us reliable upgrades already.

Re: Leaving htop running freezes macOS High Sierra

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Post by voltagex_ »

vanilla_nut wrote: post #22
notadoc wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well this is purely anecdotal, but at least 70% of the developers, IT workers, and researchers that I know are using prior generation MacBook Pro hardware (the ones without the touch bar or terrible keyboard, and with ports) and are intentionally using the older OSX versions. I know several people who traded in 2016/2017 models for 2015 models because it's literally an upgrade; get an older machine and you suddenly h…

An especially unfortunate truth is that many developers have grown so afraid of workflow-breaking bugs that they're willing to risk security flaws just so they can get work done. The things I would do (and pay) for 2010-Apple tier hardware built for CentOS in both laptop and phone form factors...

Have you tried a Dell XPS 9350?

Re: Leaving htop running freezes macOS High Sierra

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Post by voltagex_ »

E765 wrote: post #15
dm319 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not a developer, but I knew developers were previously content with Macbooks usually running OSX or linux. Given so much unhappiness with OSX, and the inability to run linux on the USB-C macbook pros, what are developers generally doing? The Apple hardware is nice, but it generally means you have to use OSX. Windows WSL is pretty convenient, but then you have to use Windows. Linux is, of course, great, but what h…

I recently bought a ThinkPad X1 Carbon. I'm pretty happy with it.

A useful filter when buying laptops is "does this laptop have the service manual accessible to mortals?"

Handily filters down to 2 companies: Dell and Lenovo. I am unsure about Librem and PogoLinux.

Re: Leaving htop running freezes macOS High Sierra

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Post by Cyph0n »

shakna wrote: post #23
pavlov wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

After updating to High Sierra, OmniGraffle, an app that I use fairly regularly, stopped working. The only available solution was to buy a $50 update to the latest version. At least Omni Group should be happy about macOS 10.13. In Omni's view, my software was hopelessly outdated... But in reality it worked just fine for my needs even though it wasn't the latest version. I had bought the license in November 2009, so ex…

> Microsoft would never break compatibility with a major Windows app from only eight years ago. Microsoft is nearly pathalogic in this. I still run some programs I bought for DOS today on Windows 10, because they're COM files. Still works the same. Apple has always broken things on the other hand, but with the promise of a stable system. Which, having upgraded to High Sierra, is long gone. This feels almost like the…

Here[1] is a short video showing the version by version upgrade of Windows 1.01 to Windows 8. Notice how essentially all user programs, system preferences (e.g., theme), and files are preserved throughout the entire process. The guy also runs an installed copy of Wolfenstein 3D on almost every version to demonstrate that it still works.

The first time I saw it made me respect and appreciate the stability Windows has provided over the decades...

Note: there are similar videos that show the exact same process on actual hardware.

[1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOzkNtnaS04

Re: Leaving htop running freezes macOS High Sierra

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Post by voltagex_ »

oceanghost wrote: post #64

I've had a similair problem with Transmission for years. Doing more then a few transfers locks up transmission and then the entire machine. Issuing a halt at the terminal sometimes will reboot the machine, but moist of the time it just hangs. I would switch but to what? Windows/Linux are just as user hostile.

I'd say OS X is hostile now - after doing maintenance on a 2015 Macbook over the holidays.

Re: Leaving htop running freezes macOS High Sierra

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Post by rsynnott »

SomeHacker44 wrote: post #90
notadoc wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well this is purely anecdotal, but at least 70% of the developers, IT workers, and researchers that I know are using prior generation MacBook Pro hardware (the ones without the touch bar or terrible keyboard, and with ports) and are intentionally using the older OSX versions. I know several people who traded in 2016/2017 models for 2015 models because it's literally an upgrade; get an older machine and you suddenly h…

This. Although I didn't redowngrade to the non touch bar, I literally hate it and stare enviously at my colleagues running Dell and Lenovo Linux laptops with 32GB of RAM, etc. I am still hoping for Apple to get its act together but I am done with the crappy non Pro "Pro" consumer junk laptops.

There will almost certainly be 32GB MBPs this year when Cannon Lake shows up. Assuming it isn’t delayed again, naturally.

Re: Leaving htop running freezes macOS High Sierra

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Post by shakna »

Cyph0n wrote: post #94
shakna wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Microsoft would never break compatibility with a major Windows app from only eight years ago. Microsoft is nearly pathalogic in this. I still run some programs I bought for DOS today on Windows 10, because they're COM files. Still works the same. Apple has always broken things on the other hand, but with the promise of a stable system. Which, having upgraded to High Sierra, is long gone. This feels almost like the…

Here[1] is a short video showing the version by version upgrade of Windows 1.01 to Windows 8. Notice how essentially all user programs, system preferences (e.g., theme), and files are preserved throughout the entire process. The guy also runs an installed copy of Wolfenstein 3D on almost every version to demonstrate that it still works. The first time I saw it made me respect and appreciate the stability Windows has…

\* Compatibility. Which is truly awesome.

But stability means it doesn't crash, or have driver issues or basically interfere with a user trying to use it.

Re: Leaving htop running freezes macOS High Sierra

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Post by pfranz »

dm319 wrote: post #9
notadoc wrote: post #3

High Sierra seems like a great OS if you want an unstable workstation that doesn't work with tools you've used everyday for well over a decade.

I'm not a developer, but I knew developers were previously content with Macbooks usually running OSX or linux. Given so much unhappiness with OSX, and the inability to run linux on the USB-C macbook pros, what are developers generally doing? The Apple hardware is nice, but it generally means you have to use OSX. Windows WSL is pretty convenient, but then you have to use Windows. Linux is, of course, great, but what h…

> inability to run linux on the USB-C macbook pros

What have you tried?

I have a MacBookPro14,1 (2017) and had a bit more of a problem than expected triple-booting Windows, Linux, and High Sierra, but I got it working.

My main issue seemed to be that nvme wasn't supported for many of the Linux installers. I think it was a newer Fedora I finally got working. I may have had to manually mount the drive before running the installer (I cant remember). I haven't used it as my primary OS, but everything seemed to be working (hi-dpi, wifi, trackpad).

I think like any other new hardware, it'll take a couple years before Linux works out of the box.

Re: Leaving htop running freezes macOS High Sierra

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Post by sigjuice »

derefr wrote: post #89
seanp2k2 wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Store the screen layout using serials from the EDIDs. Why it doesn’t do this and “tries” to guess their position somehow is beyond me. I use the OWC TB3 dock with dual Asus PA328qs with the latest firmware. Because of apparently some lame design decisions, in order to run dual external monitors over a single TB3 port, you need the dock, which has one DisplayPort output, then a TB3-> DisplayPort (via USB-C alt mode II…

They do do that. It fails because the monitors have identical EDIDs. Peripheral vendors are less competent than you think.

Perhaps someone can make an adapter that can sit between the computer and monitor to fix EDID issues?
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