I’ve been disappointed with Apple’s response to kernel bugs for quite a while. Closing a large number of ptys at once caused a panic for years. In high Sierra, there’s this, statfs hangs, and proc_pidinfo hangs.
Leaving htop running freezes macOS High Sierra
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Re: Leaving htop running freezes macOS High Sierra
#22Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not a developer, but I knew developers were previously content with Macbooks usually running OSX or linux. Given so much unhappiness with OSX, and the inability to run linux on the USB-C macbook pros, what are developers generally doing? The Apple hardware is nice, but it generally means you have to use OSX. Windows WSL is pretty convenient, but then you have to use Windows. Linux is, of course, great, but what h…
Well this is purely anecdotal, but at least 70% of the developers, IT workers, and researchers that I know are using prior generation MacBook Pro hardware (the ones without the touch bar or terrible keyboard, and with ports) and are intentionally using the older OSX versions. I know several people who traded in 2016/2017 models for 2015 models because it's literally an upgrade; get an older machine and you suddenly h…
An especially unfortunate truth is that many developers have grown so afraid of workflow-breaking bugs that they're willing to risk security flaws just so they can get work done.
The things I would do (and pay) for 2010-Apple tier hardware built for CentOS in both laptop and phone form factors...
Re: Leaving htop running freezes macOS High Sierra
#23High Sierra seems like a great OS if you want an unstable workstation that doesn't work with tools you've used everyday for well over a decade.
After updating to High Sierra, OmniGraffle, an app that I use fairly regularly, stopped working. The only available solution was to buy a $50 update to the latest version. At least Omni Group should be happy about macOS 10.13. In Omni's view, my software was hopelessly outdated... But in reality it worked just fine for my needs even though it wasn't the latest version. I had bought the license in November 2009, so ex…
> Microsoft would never break compatibility with a major Windows app from only eight years ago.
Microsoft is nearly pathalogic in this. I still run some programs I bought for DOS today on Windows 10, because they're COM files. Still works the same.
Apple has always broken things on the other hand, but with the promise of a stable system. Which, having upgraded to High Sierra, is long gone. This feels almost like the early days of Linux. I've got WiFi breakage, graphics driver breakage, occasional filesystem breakage, and several really concerning CVEs that have come over the last few months.
Never thought I'd see the day when I call Windows more stable than a *nix.
Re: Leaving htop running freezes macOS High Sierra
#24I always wondered why people bother with htop on OS X when the built-in Activity Monitor.app is so nice already. I only use htop on remote boxes myself.
I have always wondered why people bother with non-htop apps, when htop is so nice already :)
But more seriously, one of the big advantages of htop is that it is extremely lightweight, which helps a lot when you have other processes that are eating up all your CPU and RAM.
Re: Leaving htop running freezes macOS High Sierra
#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not a developer, but I knew developers were previously content with Macbooks usually running OSX or linux. Given so much unhappiness with OSX, and the inability to run linux on the USB-C macbook pros, what are developers generally doing? The Apple hardware is nice, but it generally means you have to use OSX. Windows WSL is pretty convenient, but then you have to use Windows. Linux is, of course, great, but what h…
Well this is purely anecdotal, but at least 70% of the developers, IT workers, and researchers that I know are using prior generation MacBook Pro hardware (the ones without the touch bar or terrible keyboard, and with ports) and are intentionally using the older OSX versions. I know several people who traded in 2016/2017 models for 2015 models because it's literally an upgrade; get an older machine and you suddenly h…
Also anecdotal, but this is also what we're doing at our company too. Most of us have the 2015 era Macbook pros, and run a split between 10.9 and 10.10. Others that aren't using that gen are using Thinkpads with full keyboards on them with Ubuntu.
It's not ideal, but our environment is rock solid for what we need, and newer software that we need still supports us just fine.
Re: Leaving htop running freezes macOS High Sierra
#26High Sierra seems like a great OS if you want an unstable workstation that doesn't work with tools you've used everyday for well over a decade.
It’s weird, I keep hearing things like this but have encountered literally no issues with it on my mid-2015 MacBook Pro... Is there some particular hardware that it’s dodgy on or am I just lucky?
Re: Leaving htop running freezes macOS High Sierra
#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well this is purely anecdotal, but at least 70% of the developers, IT workers, and researchers that I know are using prior generation MacBook Pro hardware (the ones without the touch bar or terrible keyboard, and with ports) and are intentionally using the older OSX versions. I know several people who traded in 2016/2017 models for 2015 models because it's literally an upgrade; get an older machine and you suddenly h…
An especially unfortunate truth is that many developers have grown so afraid of workflow-breaking bugs that they're willing to risk security flaws just so they can get work done. The things I would do (and pay) for 2010-Apple tier hardware built for CentOS in both laptop and phone form factors...
> An especially unfortunate truth is that many developers have grown so afraid of workflow-breaking bugs that they're willing to risk security flaws just so they can get work done.
Can't blame them. Ultimately, it's productivity that pays the bills.
Re: Leaving htop running freezes macOS High Sierra
#28Ran htop for a while on the latest public beta of High Sierra 10.13.3 last night and didn’t have any issues.
Re: Leaving htop running freezes macOS High Sierra
#29High Sierra seems like a great OS if you want an unstable workstation that doesn't work with tools you've used everyday for well over a decade.
I'm not a developer, but I knew developers were previously content with Macbooks usually running OSX or linux. Given so much unhappiness with OSX, and the inability to run linux on the USB-C macbook pros, what are developers generally doing? The Apple hardware is nice, but it generally means you have to use OSX. Windows WSL is pretty convenient, but then you have to use Windows. Linux is, of course, great, but what h…
> Given so much unhappiness with OSX
Unhappy people post a LOT more and the internet loves a good pile-on. Apple has had plenty of embarrassing QA lapses but the average developer is fine, and it’s not like everything else is perfect. The Linux users I work with spend more time on sysadmin work than the Mac users by a hefty margin, although there’s a good argument that software compatibility is worth that overhead.
Re: Leaving htop running freezes macOS High Sierra
#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not a developer, but I knew developers were previously content with Macbooks usually running OSX or linux. Given so much unhappiness with OSX, and the inability to run linux on the USB-C macbook pros, what are developers generally doing? The Apple hardware is nice, but it generally means you have to use OSX. Windows WSL is pretty convenient, but then you have to use Windows. Linux is, of course, great, but what h…
FreeBSD 12(current) on a 2017 XPS 13 has been great for me. Funny thing is I never imagined buying a dell laptop. I was going to purchase a new mac, but the touch bar killed that for me. So far so good with the XPS 13.
I can at least confirm for you that you made the right choice. Today I went to use the touchbar to adjust the volume on a conference call I was in and ended up hitting the contextual "home" button, taking me away from the page (and call) entirely. I guess I should have memorized which invisible part of the touchbar corresponded to what better. I miss hardware buttons.