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Uber Co-Founder Travis Kalanick Said to Plan Sale of 29% of Stake

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Re: Uber Co-Founder Travis Kalanick Said to Plan Sale of 29% of Stake

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> Uber used Greyball to avoid giving rides to undercover law enforcement personnel looking looking to destroy their business. Uber used Greyball to evade municipal laws.

Yes, they were denying rides to undercover law enforcement personnel looking to destroy their business.

Or regulate Uber the same as any other taxi service in their community.

Look, I'm a fan of Lyft and Uber. They shook up an ossified taxi industry. But let's not sugarcoat what Uber did - they broke laws and constructed systems to aid breaking those laws.

Re: Uber Co-Founder Travis Kalanick Said to Plan Sale of 29% of Stake

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You imply that being ousted from the company he created is not a direct consequence of his actions. You imply that unethical behavior was helpful to Uber defeat awful local transport lobbies in some cities and improve transportation for the people. I strongly disagree with both assumptions. I believe he was ousted for legitimate reasons that he is 100% individually responsible for and I believe that unethical behavio…

I don't see that the GP implied his ousting wasn't a direct consequence of his actions. Anyway, it's not hard to imagine that Travis, despite being aware of how his actions resulted in consequences, may feel hurt, and maybe even remorseful. It would be a mistake to believe that people who act poorly all lack empathy.

Great point, Bad things happened under his leadership, which lead to his exit. Uber was his baby and his actions has created doubt about Uber in the hearts of many. He probably feels really bad about his actions. He probably feels like selling his share might help. Lets cut the guy some slack he's only human.

Re: Uber Co-Founder Travis Kalanick Said to Plan Sale of 29% of Stake

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We’ve entered an unquantifiable mish-mash of superlatives but I’d reckon that uber, as a mainstream pioneer of the contemporary sharing economy, has had more of an impact than you’re willing to admit.

Certainly excellent at marketing the idea that selling services to people should be called the "sharing economy".

And that marketing it as "selling services" to someone is a great way to avoid a minimum wage for that service.

Re: Uber Co-Founder Travis Kalanick Said to Plan Sale of 29% of Stake

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There are a lot of practical challenges here because this country was already built for cars as the universal form of transport.

Over the last 50 years American exceptionalism has morphed from: "We are the greatest country on earth, unique in our ability to achieve." to "We are the most special snowflake country in the world, unique in our inability to improve healthcare, public infrastructure, or reduce deaths by firearms." It's really quite sad, I hope you guys get our of your rut soon.

As someone who has grown up in the South, and who has visited San Francisco, Philadelphia, DC, NYC, Boston and other places, I agree public transport is amazing, and I wish cities in the South could pull it off. I also recognize it's incredibly difficult, and expensive, to do so. And even if we had the money and ability to build rail along freeway lines, and build stops at popular social and residential hubs, how do people get to the rail station? Vehicle. And for many people, the question will then be, "Why drive to the station, wait 15 minutes, take a train with multiple stops, etc. when I can just drive?"

At which point you talk about incentives against driving, at which point you piss off millions of people, and potentially punish those who legitimately couldn't use rail due to work or scheduling circumstances.

You're really blowing off something incredibly difficult, more difficult (politically and financially) than putting someone on the moon. And your snark isn't even conceptually consistent; we thought we were a snowflake in the 60s, we just really were one of the greatest countries in the world. Firearm issues are there but over hyped/more complex than you want to admit, and if anything, we really should let states take the reins at healthcare, because it'd be a lot easier for regional governments to pull something off and get the ball rolling than to constantly fight at our crippled-by-two-national-parties Congress.

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Jobs is a great point, for the other argument. Jobs didn't break the law, but he disrupted multiple industries from computers to phones to music to retail.

> Jobs didn't break the law Jobs often took an “ask for forgivenss” approach. Copying Xerox [1], screwing Wozniak [2], the naming schtick with the Beatles, et cetera . [1] http://www.mac-history.net/computer-history/2012-03-22/apple... [2] http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/steve-wozniak-cried-jobs-kept-atari...

> screwing Wozniak

This is an unpopular opinion, but if it weren't for Jobs, Woz would have remained an unknown HP engineer.

Re: Uber Co-Founder Travis Kalanick Said to Plan Sale of 29% of Stake

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In today’s politically correct environment, the masses are wont to instantly discredit and discard the entire career of anyone whose personal failings happen to become public. Travis spent a tiny fraction of his time being a jerk. The rest of it was spent creating one of the most impactful companies that the world has ever seen. Give credit where credit is due. ”Each of us is more than the worst thing we’ve ever done…

'The rest of it was spent creating one of the most impactful companies that the world has ever seen.' I really don't think a marginal improvement on taxis qualifies for that title.

The use of Uber and services like it has dramatically changed the lives of some people. Go ask a blind person if Uber has had an impact on their life. Even in the case of normal day-to-day users, I think it’s disingenuous to say that it’s a “marginal improvement on taxis”. Your bias, likely based on your dislike of Travis or the company, is showing through.

Re: Uber Co-Founder Travis Kalanick Said to Plan Sale of 29% of Stake

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There's no evidence that the unethical behavior was necessary or even helped. > powerfully entrenched politicians (DeBlasio of NYC as an example) DeBlasio is entrenched because he was elected by a majority of his constituents. The people get to write the rules, called laws. Who voted for Kalanick? What gave him the right?

In London Uber has lost their license to operate, and that decision will come into effect this year. They cite passenger safety concerns, but there's been not-too-subtle protests by Black Cab drivers who simply refuse to change their archaic business model and a very stark lack of actual Uber users concerned about safety. Not only is it far less convenient than Uber, calling a Black Cab means you need to venture onto…

There's always been competition in London though. It's not like your only choice is uber or a black cab.

The fact is that Uber came in, heavy handed, and used it's usual "fuck the rules, we're here" attitude towards running its service. It's hardly surprising that it fails to get license renewals when it's not only shown scant regard for the rules and regs, but open contempt about changing so that they fit them.

Re: Uber Co-Founder Travis Kalanick Said to Plan Sale of 29% of Stake

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Seems like a good time to dump this =). I think I know the kind of world Travis comes from. He was in a fraternity, and he treated it like a business like I did. When he owned a real business he applied those lessons far too liberally. Fraternities are ruthlessly competitive, going as far as planting fake pledges and building internal dossiers on all the other frats on campus. Very valuable was your loyal man with a…

Wow that was hard to read. I thoroughly believe none of that is true.

Re: Uber Co-Founder Travis Kalanick Said to Plan Sale of 29% of Stake

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he's responsible for his actions, but the way you word that makes it sound like he's the only person responsible for the morally reprehensible things Uber has done, which is not true.

He's was the CEO!!! He oversaw all the morally reprehensible things Uber did and did little to stop it. If he is not responsible, then who is? I'm sorry but CEOs can't have it both ways. If you want to be paid at the (insane) current levels you have to take responsibility for the outcomes of your actions. The only other entity that might have some responsibility is the board for not getting rid of Kalanick sooner.

> If he is not responsible, then who is?

Befehl ist Befehl.

"I was only following orders."

Re: Uber Co-Founder Travis Kalanick Said to Plan Sale of 29% of Stake

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Yes and no. Was it operating in a gray area, yes. However, that gray area wasn't the equivalent of dumping toxic waste into a river to build some product. The gray area was around how taxis were regulated in markets. As a frequent Uber/Lyft/Taxi user in NYC I can say that the experience for the consumer has been fantastic. I never want to use a taxi again for many reasons. 1. There's very little recourse for lost ite…

> Yes and no. Was it operating in a gray area, yes. Why is it a grey area? I don't think those laws are good but they exist. I don't believe a company's willingness to ignore laws should give them a competitive advantage because that just creates an incentive to do so. Also, companies should not be in the business of deciding what laws are okay or not okay to disobey. > As a frequent Uber/Lyft/Taxi user in NYC I can…

That's what I'm referring to, if the laws exist but there isn't a specific common good that they are addressing that the new entrant is destroying or hurting, then the laws should be adapted over time. Certainly they could have went the direct route to get the law changed, but as time has shown having power and then getting changes is usually a simpler process.

So they are operating in a gray area but not hurting the common good, so adapting the laws would make sense.

Not the same as producing something toxic as a by product of your product and then releasing that into the environment.

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