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Re: Uber Co-Founder Travis Kalanick Said to Plan Sale of 29% of Stake

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Thank you for providing a balanced view that’s so often missing on anything Uber related on HN. There is no denying that Travis threw ethics out of the window and took his paranoia way too far and never matured into a peacetime CEO. But every time a HN user takes an Uber, Lyft, Via, Grab, Ola etc etc you can thank Travis for his ruthlessness in fighting some of the most powerfully entrenched politicians (DeBlasio of…

There's no evidence that the unethical behavior was necessary or even helped. > powerfully entrenched politicians (DeBlasio of NYC as an example) DeBlasio is entrenched because he was elected by a majority of his constituents. The people get to write the rules, called laws. Who voted for Kalanick? What gave him the right?

In London Uber has lost their license to operate, and that decision will come into effect this year.

They cite passenger safety concerns, but there's been not-too-subtle protests by Black Cab drivers who simply refuse to change their archaic business model and a very stark lack of actual Uber users concerned about safety. Not only is it far less convenient than Uber, calling a Black Cab means you need to venture onto the street and if you're not in central London you're basically stuffed. There's also the matter of cabbies being many times more expensive than Uber - a £20 Uber would be £50, at least.

The Black Cab drivers are being petulant children about it. I'm sorry their livelihoods are under threat but they either need to evolve or die. They literally blocked off a major London road right outside my offices in protest against Uber a few months ago; right off Blackfriars Bridge they parked horizontally in the middle of the road, causing absolute mayhem. Usually I'm fine with people striking, but there was no legitimate grievance here - a better competitor came along and instead of embracing change (and progress) they simply threw their toys out of the pram and demanded the politicians (who are in their union's pocket) simply get rid of their competition.

The politicians didn't take much persuading, and just like that we rolled back to Black Cabs (which half of Uber users were priced out of in the first place). Unions are generally a force for good, but this was just a shameless attempt by the Black Cab union to have the competition erased, where previously they operated in what could easily have been described as a monopoly - previously they only faced competition from minicabs and Addison Lee, which largely had an entirely different customer base.

Re: Uber Co-Founder Travis Kalanick Said to Plan Sale of 29% of Stake

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Good for him. This is probably an unpopular opinion here, but I feel bad for this guy. Could have built a really great empire, and he probably would have if it was ten years ago. But things are changing so fast nowadays and the masses have a lot of power (maybe too much than they deserve) and Uber unfortunately was at the wrong place at the wrong time. When I talk to real people in the real world (not Twitter trolls…

He plans to buy XRP & TRX :P

Re: Uber Co-Founder Travis Kalanick Said to Plan Sale of 29% of Stake

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You imply that being ousted from the company he created is not a direct consequence of his actions. You imply that unethical behavior was helpful to Uber defeat awful local transport lobbies in some cities and improve transportation for the people. I strongly disagree with both assumptions. I believe he was ousted for legitimate reasons that he is 100% individually responsible for and I believe that unethical behavio…

he's responsible for his actions, but the way you word that makes it sound like he's the only person responsible for the morally reprehensible things Uber has done, which is not true.

From what I've heard, Kalanick was a much more hands-on CEO than is typical. He certainly holds a large amount of responsibility for Uber's actions.

Re: Uber Co-Founder Travis Kalanick Said to Plan Sale of 29% of Stake

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post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You imply that being ousted from the company he created is not a direct consequence of his actions. You imply that unethical behavior was helpful to Uber defeat awful local transport lobbies in some cities and improve transportation for the people. I strongly disagree with both assumptions. I believe he was ousted for legitimate reasons that he is 100% individually responsible for and I believe that unethical behavio…

he's responsible for his actions, but the way you word that makes it sound like he's the only person responsible for the morally reprehensible things Uber has done, which is not true.

Uber has fired enough leadership that clearly he wasn’t the only one. But he was CEO, and he could have removed bad actors. It’s true that each of them is responsible for their own choices, but if he’s a bad actor and allowed or encouraged other bad actors, I think it’s fair for him to share some of their burden.

Re: Uber Co-Founder Travis Kalanick Said to Plan Sale of 29% of Stake

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> I do not look fondly at what a pain local transport was in cities without public transport (and even those with), and it is Travis (yes, Travis first, Uber second) that led this paradigm shift. How about we improve public transport? I know it’s unpopular to propose “socialist” ideas, but public transport works elsewhere in the world, why does it have to be so horrible here? Why does someone have to profit for somet…

There are a lot of practical challenges here because this country was already built for cars as the universal form of transport.

Over the last 50 years American exceptionalism has morphed from: "We are the greatest country on earth, unique in our ability to achieve." to "We are the most special snowflake country in the world, unique in our inability to improve healthcare, public infrastructure, or reduce deaths by firearms." It's really quite sad, I hope you guys get our of your rut soon.

Re: Uber Co-Founder Travis Kalanick Said to Plan Sale of 29% of Stake

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I would say that public transportation doesn't always work, here or elsewhere. Subways and buses usually have schedules that don't always line up with when you happen to need it. Also, there is a mental tax in having to navigate it. For instance, I really have a hard time reading subway/train maps and schedules, and God forbid I need to connect to a different line during the route. Sure, plenty of people are totally…

> Subways and buses usually have schedules that don't always line up with when you happen to need it. Also, there is a mental tax in having to navigate it. There's no need for any difference between navigating by car in Google Maps or navigating by public transport in Google Maps. Meaning, in Netherlands Google Maps show the estimated arrival times of everything, transfers, etc. It'll take into account delays, cancel…

Am from Amsterdam, have lived in the States, will second this: the Netherlands has a great public transport system and 90% of the time the only consideration when choosing between driving/cycling (predictable/personal transport) and PT is the cost.

Sometimes there are routes that take significantly longer with PT, and in those scenarios it's just another argument for taking my bike.

There are a few scenarios in which I take taxis, but they're rare and usually when it's the only reasonable option (caused by time or availability of PT like at night).

Re: Uber Co-Founder Travis Kalanick Said to Plan Sale of 29% of Stake

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post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would say that public transportation doesn't always work, here or elsewhere. Subways and buses usually have schedules that don't always line up with when you happen to need it. Also, there is a mental tax in having to navigate it. For instance, I really have a hard time reading subway/train maps and schedules, and God forbid I need to connect to a different line during the route. Sure, plenty of people are totally…

> Subways and buses usually have schedules that don't always line up with when you happen to need it. Also, there is a mental tax in having to navigate it. There's no need for any difference between navigating by car in Google Maps or navigating by public transport in Google Maps. Meaning, in Netherlands Google Maps show the estimated arrival times of everything, transfers, etc. It'll take into account delays, cancel…

I agree. Also some public transport companies have their own application/web portal able to provide the same kind of service that Google Maps. But I disagree with "bike/car/foot/public transport is all the same complexity": public transport add a factor you can't control.

Re: Uber Co-Founder Travis Kalanick Said to Plan Sale of 29% of Stake

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post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank you for providing a balanced view that’s so often missing on anything Uber related on HN. There is no denying that Travis threw ethics out of the window and took his paranoia way too far and never matured into a peacetime CEO. But every time a HN user takes an Uber, Lyft, Via, Grab, Ola etc etc you can thank Travis for his ruthlessness in fighting some of the most powerfully entrenched politicians (DeBlasio of…

There's no evidence that the unethical behavior was necessary or even helped. > powerfully entrenched politicians (DeBlasio of NYC as an example) DeBlasio is entrenched because he was elected by a majority of his constituents. The people get to write the rules, called laws. Who voted for Kalanick? What gave him the right?

You can't really change the world if you're always coloring inside the lines. There is such a thing as creative destruction; when structures get ossified and corrupt, they've got to be burned down and swept away.

Re: Uber Co-Founder Travis Kalanick Said to Plan Sale of 29% of Stake

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Happy for him. I can only imagine how much being ousted from a company he created and raised to its current level must have hurt. I do not look fondly at what a pain local transport was in cities without public transport (and even those with), and it is Travis (yes, Travis first, Uber second) that led this paradigm shift. We can debate about Uber's business practices until the cows come home, but this is undeniable.…

> I do not look fondly at what a pain local transport was in cities without public transport (and even those with), and it is Travis (yes, Travis first, Uber second) that led this paradigm shift. How about we improve public transport? I know it’s unpopular to propose “socialist” ideas, but public transport works elsewhere in the world, why does it have to be so horrible here? Why does someone have to profit for somet…

Working is a relative term here in France for public transport. This week a tree fell on a railway deserving the St-Lazare train station in Paris, reducing the service to three train one a line used by tens of thousands of people daily. Still I appreciate having a good network here in Paris (and in most of France).

Re: Uber Co-Founder Travis Kalanick Said to Plan Sale of 29% of Stake

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no evidence that the unethical behavior was necessary or even helped. > powerfully entrenched politicians (DeBlasio of NYC as an example) DeBlasio is entrenched because he was elected by a majority of his constituents. The people get to write the rules, called laws. Who voted for Kalanick? What gave him the right?

In London Uber has lost their license to operate, and that decision will come into effect this year. They cite passenger safety concerns, but there's been not-too-subtle protests by Black Cab drivers who simply refuse to change their archaic business model and a very stark lack of actual Uber users concerned about safety. Not only is it far less convenient than Uber, calling a Black Cab means you need to venture onto…

Does Gett or similar not work very well in London? It seems to work perfectly in Edinburgh, even for rides going most of the way out of the city.
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