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> This is the same problem Netflix & Amazon have been successful in combating. The answer is to become a content owner by competing with the big labels directly. > All Spotify needs to push the big labels back on their heels is to sign a few top 40 artists of their own No way that's going to work. Music is VASTLY different from video. In video it takes more time and resources to produce each one and replays are rare.…
> replays are rare Tell that to my wife who has seen every Office episode at least 20 times.
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Well, lets also not forget that Spotify has been slowly steering itself from a pure "music playback tool" to a "music discovery tool", and a trusted one at that. They are heavily promoting things like Discover Weekly, Podcasts, playlists like RapCaviar and their various "n+Moods" and "n+Vibes" playlists. There was a great article[0] posted here some time ago, I think, that likened the algorithmic discovery "products"…
>"Once Spotify achieves a critical mass of listeners that trust their algorithms, and rely on their tastemakers to deliver fresh music, Spotify could easily slot in musicians that they themselves hold the contracts for." You mean become a competitor to the 3 labels for whom they depend on for their business? Not a chance. If the labels see them as competitors instead of customers they will pull their card and not ren…
Chance The Rapper is one of the biggest names in hip hop, and a relatively big personality in pop culture as a whole. He's fully independent. He signed an "exclusive" 2-week-long distribution deal with Apple for his last album, Coloring Book. Apple got exclusive streaming rights (for 2 weeks), and the artist got $500,000 cash – not an advance – as well as free marketing via Apple. This is the type of deal and the type of artist that will start changing things for the better.
There is a great report published by stat trackers BuzzAngle Music[0] from the past year. Here are some important numbers:
• Song Consumption for 2017 YTD was up 29.5% over 2016 YTD (1.5 billion song project units in 2017 YTD vs. 1.2 billion song project units in 2016 YTD).
• Audio streams reached 179.8 billion, up 58.5% over 2016 YTD.
• Subscription streams grew 69.3% and accounted for 78.6% of total audio streams in 2017 YTD, up from 73.6% in 2016 YTD.
• Overall album sales were down 13.9% compared to 2016 YTD (74.0 million in 2017 YTD vs. 86.0 million in 2016 YTD).
• Digital album sales in 2017 YTD were down 24.3% over the previous year (34.5 million in 2017 YTD vs. 45.6 million in 2016 YTD).
• Song sales (downloads) in 2017 YTD were down 23.8% compared to 2016 YTD (313.3 million in 2017 YTD vs. 410.9 million in 2016 YTD).
So now say you're a Sony exec and you're looking at these numbers. Can you afford to have ANY of your top talent pulled from Spotify? Consumption and streaming are rising and pure sales are falling. Megastars like Taylor Swift and Ed Sheeran are immune from these trends, basically, but if you want to stay culturally significant you will soon need streaming more than streaming needs you. That's my opinion.
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Yes, I would like to see more social features that aren't tied to Facebook. I know it's not their core competency, but it's odd that the Friends feature requires FB even though they support "standard" non-FB user accounts. And a timeline-esque view of who's been listening to what at-a-glance would be neat.
No. No. No. I just want a well running, clean looking, audio player. Im sick of companies trying to make apps social and grow them beyond where they are great trying to incorporate bullshit that ruins the app. Spotify is great for local music, streaming, podcasts, etc. All this bullshit video and social crap they push into it ruins it. Imo IPOs kill almost any decency in a product
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>"Once Spotify achieves a critical mass of listeners that trust their algorithms, and rely on their tastemakers to deliver fresh music, Spotify could easily slot in musicians that they themselves hold the contracts for." You mean become a competitor to the 3 labels for whom they depend on for their business? Not a chance. If the labels see them as competitors instead of customers they will pull their card and not ren…
I don't see the scales to be tipped as heavily as you're suggesting. Spotify alone can make or break an artist, even a "Big 3" one. If you want listenership, you absolutely need to be on Youtube, Apple or Spotify (or a platform like Soundcloud). There are zero relevant distribution channels for today's young listeners that are not streaming services. Chance The Rapper is one of the biggest names in hip hop, and a rel…
Really? Name one artist that Spotify has broken exclusively.
>"Chance The Rapper is one of the biggest names in hip hop, and a relatively big personality in pop culture as a whole. He's fully independent."
That's great but until there are enough Chance the Rappers Spotify needs the big 3's catalogs.
I'n not sure why you felt compelled to list all those statistics, nobody is suggesting streaming hasn't grown in popularity.
>"Can you afford to have ANY of your top talent pulled from Spotify?" Yes you certainly can. The streaming markets has no shortage of players now - Amazon, Google, Apple, Pandora, Deezer etc. Spotify needs the labels more than they need Spotify.
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I think this has a good chance of being a good long-term investment for one simple reason. Spotify has something that few companies have but all dream of: pricing power. The other week, my kids were watching TV and my wife and I were in the kitchen and one of them yelled out, "Mom, something popped up on Netflix saying the price is going up. What should I do?" My wife and I said the same thing instantly: "Just hit ok…
Why wouldn't everyone just go to Apple/Google Music if Spotify raised their prices? None of them have exclusive content or features that rival Netflix's exclusive library, I don't see why Spotify have any meaningful pricing power. I'm one of those people who hit OK this year when Netflix raised their price, but I'll immediately leave Spotify if they raise their prices and the competition don't - they have nothing sti…
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I don't see the scales to be tipped as heavily as you're suggesting. Spotify alone can make or break an artist, even a "Big 3" one. If you want listenership, you absolutely need to be on Youtube, Apple or Spotify (or a platform like Soundcloud). There are zero relevant distribution channels for today's young listeners that are not streaming services. Chance The Rapper is one of the biggest names in hip hop, and a rel…
>"Spotify alone can make or break an artist, ..." Really? Name one artist that Spotify has broken exclusively. >"Chance The Rapper is one of the biggest names in hip hop, and a relatively big personality in pop culture as a whole. He's fully independent." That's great but until there are enough Chance the Rappers Spotify needs the big 3's catalogs. I'n not sure why you felt compelled to list all those statistics, nob…
You're really gonna have to go easy on me and realize I'm using the name Spotify as a means to blanket address all streaming services. Artists break on streaming almost exclusively these days, and I feel like you are with me on that. But in the interest of specific artists:
Spotify's playlist RapCaviar catapulted rapper Lil Uzi Vert from the underground into the stratosphere[0]:
“XO Tour Llif3” also made history on the May 6 Billboard Hot 100 as one of five hip-hop songs in the top 10, only the second time that Billboard’s preeminent chart featured five rap songs (Kendrick Lamar’s “Humble” was No. 1; Lamar’s “DNA” No. 4; Future’s “Mask Off” was No. 5; Kyle’s “iSpy” featuring Lil Yachty No. 6; and “XO Your Llif3” No. 10). Strikingly, these songs were getting little to no airplay on the nation’s hit-driven radio stations, traditionally, along with sales, the most powerful factor in determining a song’s Hot 100 placement. “Let’s be honest,” says a top major-label executive: “No cool kid is listening to top 40 radio.” Instead, those kids are glued to streaming services."
An underground hit on SoundCloud first, and then Spotify single-handedly turned this kid into a superstar. Lil Uzi Vert became one of the hottest rappers of 2017 due to Spotify's featuring of his single on a highly influential in-house playlist.
And more about streaming breaking artists, in general, from the same article:
"And in numbers that sometimes strain belief, users are opening their Spotify or Apple Music apps and streaming hip-hop and R&B tracks at nearly twice the rate as the next most popular genre (rock), according to the research company Nielsen."
>Amazon, Google, Apple, Pandora, Deezer etc. Spotify needs the labels more than they need Spotify.
People don't subscribe for the catalogues. The catalogues between services are so similar as to be completely negligible. If you pull your catalog from one service, you don't hurt the service you hurt yourself – all those subscribers simply won't listen to your music. Those are your customers now, whether you like it not.
I guarantee this is how a conversation goes between two people, one with Apple and one with Spotify, when talking about a new song rising in popularity:
A: Hey, did you hear That New Song by Artist? B: No, is it on Spotify? A: Nope, they are a Sony artist and only on Apple now. B: Oh, okay, have fun.
Artist – That New Song now has 0.5x listenership. Meanwhile, Universal is still streaming on both services and will completely own the charts.
Labels aren't in competition with streamers, they are in competition with each other. If one major pulls their catalogue from 1 of the big streaming services, they will lose any semblance of relevancy as now the other 2 major labels will own all charts and social listening. That's IMO.
0. http://www.vulture.com/2017/09/spotify-rapcaviar-most-influe...
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Doubtful since they're pouring every extra dollar they have into making originals.
Also they have pretty high debt accumulated, so they really need some cash.
Netflix sees that math every single month, and charge more that $5, and can always raise their rates again. They have something better than cash, they have recurring cash payments.
Also, Netflix is running less debt than its hollywood contemporaries who have no such subscriber base, no industry leading tech, no well-oiled IT machine, and no massive pool of user data showing the intensely valuable and intensely detailed interactions between hundreds of millions of people and their content with a decades head start on the competition.