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How Does Technology Affect Which Men Women Choose?

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Re: How Does Technology Affect Which Men Women Choose?

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Post by FussyZeus »

raducu wrote: post #59
FussyZeus wrote: post #53

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> Women are far more off in self-reporting their levels of attraction, arousal and the reasons for it. Women are conditioned by popular culture to resist sex at every turn, either to play "hard to get," to not be too "easy" for men to take advantage of, to not be perceived as slutty, to outright being taught by media that sex is something women dole out as a reward to the men in their lives, not something they are su…

Yet they seem not to be so reserved about highly rating higher status men, just they're reserved about lower status men. Are you saying somehow society makes women rate less attractive men even lower and more attractive men higher? As in "Meh... this guy is a 7/10, but wait... ummmm society something something ... there, I'll rate him a 5/10 even though I think he's a 7/10"?

I think that's just good old Reporting bias. They're giving the answer they think they should be giving, not the truth.

Re: How Does Technology Affect Which Men Women Choose?

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Post by nerfhammer »

Lazare wrote: post #57
raducu wrote: post #51

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Oh my, the mental gymnastics you're doing. Males and females are asked to rate eachother, males clearly rate females in a normal-distribution way, females highly skew it in favor of the more attractive males. What is your conclusion about the graph, besides "interesting"? What is fundamentally different about how men and women answer surveys?

> males clearly rate females in a normal-distribution way, females highly skew it in favor of the more attractive males. Yes. But males messaging females skew highly in favour of the more attractive females, while females messages males do so in a normal-distributed way. So when OP asks "Why does it appear that the vast majority of women prefer the same small group of men?" the answer is simple: It's actually the oth…

Not sure if it makes a difference but it's 2/3 of messages, not 2/3 of men.

Re: How Does Technology Affect Which Men Women Choose?

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Post by raducu »

Lazare wrote: post #57
raducu wrote: post #51

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Oh my, the mental gymnastics you're doing. Males and females are asked to rate eachother, males clearly rate females in a normal-distribution way, females highly skew it in favor of the more attractive males. What is your conclusion about the graph, besides "interesting"? What is fundamentally different about how men and women answer surveys?

> males clearly rate females in a normal-distribution way, females highly skew it in favor of the more attractive males. Yes. But males messaging females skew highly in favour of the more attractive females, while females messages males do so in a normal-distributed way. So when OP asks "Why does it appear that the vast majority of women prefer the same small group of men?" the answer is simple: It's actually the oth…

Let me enlighten you: females message less attractive males because females love validation and attention and lose nothing if they do so, not because they don't actually know who they really like.

We live in a serial-monogamous society -- if the average individual wants a relationship he/she'll eventually have to settle for an average partner, regardless of who they fancy the most.

Re: How Does Technology Affect Which Men Women Choose?

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Post by blattimwind »

bla2 wrote: post #46
EGreg wrote: post #39

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I have noticed this (as have many others). Women are far more off in self-reporting their levels of attraction, arousal and the reasons for it. Everything from studies done on bisexuality (women reported not being turned on by certain combinations but their genitals disagreed) to the OKCupid study cited above. Men seem to be much better predictors and analyzers of what they are attracted to. "What do women want" is a…

Rewording your comment (and not commenting on its veracity), it sounds like you're saying that women can differentiate between what their consciousness and what their reproductive glands want better than men. That's a pretty common stereotype about men...

> differentiate between what their consciousness and what their reproductive glands want

It is one and the same

Re: How Does Technology Affect Which Men Women Choose?

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Post by j_s »

nindalf wrote: post #12
wheelie_boy wrote: post #7

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That's not a great source. It also tells men to wear red and eat garlic.

I have no strong opinion on this subject, but this claim probably originates from a book written by a data analyst at OKCupid - Dataclysm by Christian Rudder. Its a good read fwiw.

Matchmaker, Matchmaker, Make Me a Spreadsheet | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8291436

We Experiment On Human Beings | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8097415

Re: How Does Technology Affect Which Men Women Choose?

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Post by emodendroket »

notyourday wrote: post #38
wheelie_boy wrote: post #36

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The issue with the independent as a source is that it is obviously designed to be consumed as entertainment rather than a serious look at the topic. You can cherry-pick studies that show something entertaining, but that doesn't tell you much about the current scientific consensus. It's like how news loves to report that popular indulgences protect against cancer (wine, chocolate, coffee, whatever) Are you planning on…

I will continue not to dress like a slob in vendor T-shirts and, eat in places other than Olive Garden or neighborhood chicken wings and pizza place and not live in a dump. [Edit:] Downvoting this is not going to change that your unwillingness to dress well, socialize with not tech geeks and project your desirability is what significantly limits your opportunities in attracting partners that you think you deserve.

Oh, too good for the neighborhood chicken wings and pizza place, huh?

Re: How Does Technology Affect Which Men Women Choose?

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Post by soVeryTired »

Lazare wrote: post #34

"Why does it appear that the vast majority of women prefer the same small group of men?" The chart doesn't show that. The chart shows that in surveys, women and men answer a survey with different average baselines for what "average" means. That's interesting, but it fundamentally tells you about how men and women answer surveys, not how they are attracted to the opposite gender. What tells you their actual attraction…

This is what happens when your discipline values methodology above real insight.

If I were doing this analysis, I'd note that the first chart is probably consistent with male scores being drawn from one beta distribution (mapped to the interval (1,5)) and female scores being drawn from another.

But I'd stop there, and observe that any number of phenomena could generate results like that: the beta distribution is extremely common. To build a better explanatory model, I'd start digging into why people are voting the way they do. This means quite a lot of messy data analysis, and working at the level of individual user records. If you don't have that data there's not much more that can be said.

Instead, this guy makes some assumptions without any evidence, and takes the fact that his (complex) model can generate a common distribution as validation for his ideas.

Frankly, what bothers me about the article isn't that it's naive and a bit sexist. It's that untrained people can find this sort of analysis persuasive. Because hey, agent-based modelling is complex and impressive, right?

Re: How Does Technology Affect Which Men Women Choose?

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Post by emodendroket »

nailer wrote: post #24
nindalf wrote: post #14

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> it has links. Use them. If you're trying to prove something, its better to say nothing at all than to post a shitty source. And please don't ask someone else to do research that should be done by you.

Not the OP, but the article is full of citations to academic reearch and .gov sites. What else would you like? Clicking a few random links: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19302732 http://akademiai.com/doi/abs/10.1556/JEP.12.2014.1.1 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22947829 It's fairly obvious to see why notyourday may be frustrated with you saying its a 'a shitty source' and asking them to provide you with r…

I think it's fair to expect someone who wants to use the research to bolster their claims to highlight portions of it that are relevant rather than dumping a bunch of links (or posting an article and expecting someone to follow them all).

Re: How Does Technology Affect Which Men Women Choose?

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Post by emodendroket »

guskel wrote: post #31
debacle wrote: post #25

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Could you explain the leap from hypergamy to a female dominated society? If women seek out socially "superior" men, one would think that men would hold much of the power in society. Divorce and child custody laws aren't preferential by intent. They're simply archaic and/or very sticky. While I'm very much in favor of men's domestic rights, there are a lot of minefields when it comes to these issues which is I believe…

>Men, especially men of lower social status (or "attractiveness"), benefit from a glut of promiscuous women. They don't because promiscuous women will continue to choose high status partners. More sex doesn't mean more sex for low status men.

I think if you close your eyes and think about it you can recall lots of counterexamples.

Re: How Does Technology Affect Which Men Women Choose?

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Post by wonderbear »

0xcde4c3db wrote: post #42
J-dawg wrote: post #9

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There is evidence from OKCupid etc (and, y'know, the real world) that the two assertions you quoted are true, broadly speaking. What has this got to do with "putting on his MRA hat"? Does this invalidate the assertions somehow?

> What has this got to do with "putting on his MRA hat"? I'd say it's more a mark of red pill than MRA (although to most people outside the related subcultures, that's probably a distinction without a difference). Basically, the red pill narrative centers on people exploiting their own "sexual market value", with male SMV being determined by wealth and social status and female SMV being determined by youth and sexual…

That was a depressing, yet succinct and solid summary.
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