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Re: How Does Technology Affect Which Men Women Choose?

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Post by raducu » Wed, Jan 03, 2018, 3:50 PM UTC

Lazare wrote: post #34

"Why does it appear that the vast majority of women prefer the same small group of men?" The chart doesn't show that. The chart shows that in surveys, women and men answer a survey with different average baselines for what "average" means. That's interesting, but it fundamentally tells you about how men and women answer surveys, not how they are attracted to the opposite gender. What tells you their actual attraction…

Oh my, the mental gymnastics you're doing. Males and females are asked to rate eachother, males clearly rate females in a normal-distribution way, females highly skew it in favor of the more attractive males.

What is your conclusion about the graph, besides "interesting"? What is fundamentally different about how men and women answer surveys?

Re: How Does Technology Affect Which Men Women Choose?

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Post by EGreg » Wed, Jan 03, 2018, 3:50 PM UTC

bla2 wrote: post #46

EGreg wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have noticed this (as have many others). Women are far more off in self-reporting their levels of attraction, arousal and the reasons for it. Everything from studies done on bisexuality (women reported not being turned on by certain combinations but their genitals disagreed) to the OKCupid study cited above. Men seem to be much better predictors and analyzers of what they are attracted to. "What do women want" is a…

Rewording your comment (and not commenting on its veracity), it sounds like you're saying that women can differentiate between what their consciousness and what their reproductive glands want better than men. That's a pretty common stereotype about men...

I am saying that men have less of this difference in the first place.

Re: How Does Technology Affect Which Men Women Choose?

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Post by FussyZeus » Wed, Jan 03, 2018, 3:51 PM UTC

EGreg wrote: post #39

Lazare wrote: post #34

"Why does it appear that the vast majority of women prefer the same small group of men?" The chart doesn't show that. The chart shows that in surveys, women and men answer a survey with different average baselines for what "average" means. That's interesting, but it fundamentally tells you about how men and women answer surveys, not how they are attracted to the opposite gender. What tells you their actual attraction…

I have noticed this (as have many others). Women are far more off in self-reporting their levels of attraction, arousal and the reasons for it. Everything from studies done on bisexuality (women reported not being turned on by certain combinations but their genitals disagreed) to the OKCupid study cited above. Men seem to be much better predictors and analyzers of what they are attracted to. "What do women want" is a…

> Women are far more off in self-reporting their levels of attraction, arousal and the reasons for it.

Women are conditioned by popular culture to resist sex at every turn, either to play "hard to get," to not be too "easy" for men to take advantage of, to not be perceived as slutty, to outright being taught by media that sex is something women dole out as a reward to the men in their lives, not something they are supposed to enjoy, let alone instigate.

It's not at all surprising to me that they'd be reserved about what revs their engines, where men are very straight forward because that's what we're taught that we're supposed to be.

Re: How Does Technology Affect Which Men Women Choose?

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Post by wolfgke » Wed, Jan 03, 2018, 3:51 PM UTC

harlanji wrote: post #48

wolfgke wrote: post #15

I am very skeptical when there is a claim of some "objective status [of a person]" (in this case in the model assumption "In the simulation, men make their mate selection decisions by minimizing over the age of their prospective partners, whereas women maximize over the status of the men in their accessible vicinity." - which requires that there is some "objective" status hierarchy of men). My counterclaim is that th…

> A third example: Before it was paid very well, being a "computer science proramming nerd" had a very low status in general society. On the other hand being a good programmer/hacker could mean high status among nerds/hackers (again some specific community)/ > My counterclaim is How many people listen to it? If it's any, you probably have some of this fictitious status. Ever listened to a vagrant's claims? Would the…

> You tried very hard to make 'computer science programming nerd' not roll off the tongue, just sayin'

This was a pun that "for the average person" computer science, programming and nerds are "all the same" (and they don't care the slightest what this is all about - they just pack all these esoteric things together into one package).

Re: How Does Technology Affect Which Men Women Choose?

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Post by MollyR » Wed, Jan 03, 2018, 3:51 PM UTC

nickthemagicman wrote: post #8

Hypergamy, then, is ever present. The only thing that changes whether it is realized or not is the extent to which women are free to act on it. Hypergamy doesn’t necessarily guarantee an inequality in actual sexual encounters, but the more free that women are to act on it (and this is personal speculation) the more likely are there to be social norms and institutions favoring women, i.e. fault-free divorce, preferent…

I've never heard of "hypergamy" until today.

We (women) aren't a homogeneous group. Sure there are some psychopaths, but there are male psychopaths too.

I don't think "all men are rapists". I don't think most women are going on free trips to dubai or partying with silicon valley elites. Its a small percentage of people who live that type of life.

America is full of decent hardworking women and men. You just won't find them on the tv due to the entertainment cycle.

Sometimes I think the media is warping and twisting people opinions, you meet a lot of decent hardworking people in real life.

Re: How Does Technology Affect Which Men Women Choose?

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Post by raducu » Wed, Jan 03, 2018, 3:53 PM UTC

EGreg wrote: post #39

Lazare wrote: post #34

"Why does it appear that the vast majority of women prefer the same small group of men?" The chart doesn't show that. The chart shows that in surveys, women and men answer a survey with different average baselines for what "average" means. That's interesting, but it fundamentally tells you about how men and women answer surveys, not how they are attracted to the opposite gender. What tells you their actual attraction…

I have noticed this (as have many others). Women are far more off in self-reporting their levels of attraction, arousal and the reasons for it. Everything from studies done on bisexuality (women reported not being turned on by certain combinations but their genitals disagreed) to the OKCupid study cited above. Men seem to be much better predictors and analyzers of what they are attracted to. "What do women want" is a…

I'm just curious how do you know that "Women are far more off in self-reporting their levels of attraction, arousal and the reasons for it" ?

Re: How Does Technology Affect Which Men Women Choose?

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Post by Lazare » Wed, Jan 03, 2018, 3:55 PM UTC

raducu wrote: post #51

Lazare wrote: post #34

"Why does it appear that the vast majority of women prefer the same small group of men?" The chart doesn't show that. The chart shows that in surveys, women and men answer a survey with different average baselines for what "average" means. That's interesting, but it fundamentally tells you about how men and women answer surveys, not how they are attracted to the opposite gender. What tells you their actual attraction…

Oh my, the mental gymnastics you're doing. Males and females are asked to rate eachother, males clearly rate females in a normal-distribution way, females highly skew it in favor of the more attractive males. What is your conclusion about the graph, besides "interesting"? What is fundamentally different about how men and women answer surveys?

> males clearly rate females in a normal-distribution way, females highly skew it in favor of the more attractive males.

Yes. But males messaging females skew highly in favour of the more attractive females, while females messages males do so in a normal-distributed way.

So when OP asks "Why does it appear that the vast majority of women prefer the same small group of men?" the answer is simple: It's actually the other way around. 2/3 of men (a "vast majority") are messaging 1/3 of women (a "small group"). Women do not exhibit this behaviour. Those are the facts we are presented with.

Anything else is, as you put it, "mental gymnastics".

Re: How Does Technology Affect Which Men Women Choose?

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Post by niyikiza » Wed, Jan 03, 2018, 3:57 PM UTC

Yajirobe wrote: post #49

evrydayhustling wrote: post #11

Classic agent-based modelling fallacy: "I made an algorithm that replicates an observed distribution, so my description of the algorithm is a potential explanation for that distribution.". The fact that you could relabel the relevant variables any which way (the author does, by equivocating status and technology) and product the same outcome should illustrate what a weak form of "evidence" this is. A better title wou…

> "I made an algorithm that replicates an observed distribution, so my description of the algorithm is a potential explanation for that distribution." I mean, technically it is a potential explanation, just not necessarily a correct one.

Absence of evidence actually IS (an albeit weak) evidence of absence. That kind of stuff.

Re: How Does Technology Affect Which Men Women Choose?

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Post by raducu » Wed, Jan 03, 2018, 3:57 PM UTC

FussyZeus wrote: post #53

EGreg wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have noticed this (as have many others). Women are far more off in self-reporting their levels of attraction, arousal and the reasons for it. Everything from studies done on bisexuality (women reported not being turned on by certain combinations but their genitals disagreed) to the OKCupid study cited above. Men seem to be much better predictors and analyzers of what they are attracted to. "What do women want" is a…

> Women are far more off in self-reporting their levels of attraction, arousal and the reasons for it. Women are conditioned by popular culture to resist sex at every turn, either to play "hard to get," to not be too "easy" for men to take advantage of, to not be perceived as slutty, to outright being taught by media that sex is something women dole out as a reward to the men in their lives, not something they are su…

Yet they seem not to be so reserved about highly rating higher status men, just they're reserved about lower status men. Are you saying somehow society makes women rate less attractive men even lower and more attractive men higher?

As in "Meh... this guy is a 7/10, but wait... ummmm society something something ... there, I'll rate him a 5/10 even though I think he's a 7/10"?

Re: How Does Technology Affect Which Men Women Choose?

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Post by BearGoesChirp » Wed, Jan 03, 2018, 3:59 PM UTC

phkahler wrote: post #37

"Hypergamy doesn’t necessarily guarantee an inequality in actual sexual encounters..." I'm not sure what he means by inequality in sexual encounters. Every time a man gets a new partner, a woman does as well. The average number of encounters is the same for both sexes so long as the number of men and women is equal(ish).

Mean, median, mode, standard deviation, skew, etc. are all important measures. When people are talking about inequality (in any subject, not just here), they aren't likely focusing on just one of these, but on combinations of these.