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Re: How Does Technology Affect Which Men Women Choose?

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Post by evrydayhustling » Wed, Jan 03, 2018, 2:39 PM UTC

Classic agent-based modelling fallacy: "I made an algorithm that replicates an observed distribution, so my description of the algorithm is a potential explanation for that distribution.". The fact that you could relabel the relevant variables any which way (the author does, by equivocating status and technology) and product the same outcome should illustrate what a weak form of "evidence" this is.

A better title would be "simple rules to generate asymmetric opportunities", but I guess phrasing this in a way that tells guys the world is unfairly stacked against them gets more internet points.

Re: How Does Technology Affect Which Men Women Choose?

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Post by nindalf » Wed, Jan 03, 2018, 2:40 PM UTC

wheelie_boy wrote: post #7

notyourday wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/dating/19-scienc-men... But yeah, lets blame MRA

That's not a great source. It also tells men to wear red and eat garlic.

I have no strong opinion on this subject, but this claim probably originates from a book written by a data analyst at OKCupid - Dataclysm by Christian Rudder. Its a good read fwiw.

Re: How Does Technology Affect Which Men Women Choose?

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Post by CiPHPerCoder » Wed, Jan 03, 2018, 2:41 PM UTC

J-dawg wrote: post #9

fwip wrote: post #5

"We don’t have to assume very much to see this play out in the real world, only that men prefer young women and women prefer high status men." Author puts on his MRA hat to make a few assertions, runs a simulation, and uses that assumption to conclude that women will get more dates with high-status men with technology.

There is evidence from OKCupid etc (and, y'know, the real world) that the two assertions you quoted are true, broadly speaking. What has this got to do with "putting on his MRA hat"? Does this invalidate the assertions somehow?

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Re: How Does Technology Affect Which Men Women Choose?

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Post by nindalf » Wed, Jan 03, 2018, 2:42 PM UTC

notyourday wrote: post #10

wheelie_boy wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not a great source. It also tells men to wear red and eat garlic.

a) it has links. Use them. b) one should have an intellectual capacity of appreciating that Kerr did not get together with Evan for his stunning personality.

> it has links. Use them.

If you're trying to prove something, its better to say nothing at all than to post a shitty source. And please don't ask someone else to do research that should be done by you.

Re: How Does Technology Affect Which Men Women Choose?

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Post by wolfgke » Wed, Jan 03, 2018, 2:42 PM UTC

I am very skeptical when there is a claim of some "objective status [of a person]" (in this case in the model assumption "In the simulation, men make their mate selection decisions by minimizing over the age of their prospective partners, whereas women maximize over the status of the men in their accessible vicinity." - which requires that there is some "objective" status hierarchy of men).

My counterclaim is that there is no objective status, but each person (in this case men) has a different status in different "communities" (it is intended that I leave it rather open what "community" encompasses here).

To give examples:

While "under 'ordinary' people" it is a sign of low status not to have a mobile phone/Facebook account/..., this is a sign of very high status and commitment in privacy-conscious communities such as civil rights activists, hacker/cypherpunk communities, ...

Similarly not owning a car can (depending on the community) both be a sign of low status (cannot afford) and very high status (in environment-conscious communities and people who love to be associated with being environment-conscious it is a sign of strong commitment and thus status).

A third example: Before it was paid very well, being a "computer science proramming nerd" had a very low status in general society. On the other hand being a good programmer/hacker could mean high status among nerds/hackers (again some specific community)/

I hope this clearly outlines why one rather should consider "status in a respective community" instead of some fictional "objective status metric".

Re: How Does Technology Affect Which Men Women Choose?

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Post by aceofspad4s » Wed, Jan 03, 2018, 2:42 PM UTC

CiPHPerCoder wrote: post #13

J-dawg wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is evidence from OKCupid etc (and, y'know, the real world) that the two assertions you quoted are true, broadly speaking. What has this got to do with "putting on his MRA hat"? Does this invalidate the assertions somehow?

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>Or could it be because the traits one needs to cultivate in order to achieve high status have an overlap with the traits that are desirable in romantic partners (e.g. empathy, integrity, being an active listener, knowing when and how to compromise)?

You do not need those traits to be high status.

Re: How Does Technology Affect Which Men Women Choose?

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Post by CiPHPerCoder » Wed, Jan 03, 2018, 2:46 PM UTC

aceofspad4s wrote: post #16

CiPHPerCoder wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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>Or could it be because the traits one needs to cultivate in order to achieve high status have an overlap with the traits that are desirable in romantic partners (e.g. empathy, integrity, being an active listener, knowing when and how to compromise)? You do not need those traits to be high status.

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Re: How Does Technology Affect Which Men Women Choose?

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Post by aceofspad4s » Wed, Jan 03, 2018, 2:46 PM UTC

CiPHPerCoder wrote: post #17

aceofspad4s wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Or could it be because the traits one needs to cultivate in order to achieve high status have an overlap with the traits that are desirable in romantic partners (e.g. empathy, integrity, being an active listener, knowing when and how to compromise)? You do not need those traits to be high status.

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The same it means to everybody else: to be rich or in the media spotlight.

You can also have a high esteem in a community by being a manipulative fuck.

Re: How Does Technology Affect Which Men Women Choose?

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Post by guskel » Wed, Jan 03, 2018, 2:47 PM UTC

aceofspad4s wrote: post #16

CiPHPerCoder wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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>Or could it be because the traits one needs to cultivate in order to achieve high status have an overlap with the traits that are desirable in romantic partners (e.g. empathy, integrity, being an active listener, knowing when and how to compromise)? You do not need those traits to be high status.

Likewise, you can have those traits and not be high status.

Re: How Does Technology Affect Which Men Women Choose?

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Post by hashkb » Wed, Jan 03, 2018, 2:48 PM UTC

wolfgke wrote: post #15

I am very skeptical when there is a claim of some "objective status [of a person]" (in this case in the model assumption "In the simulation, men make their mate selection decisions by minimizing over the age of their prospective partners, whereas women maximize over the status of the men in their accessible vicinity." - which requires that there is some "objective" status hierarchy of men). My counterclaim is that th…

"objective status" is usually "net worth" (aka "life score") which has many readily evident indicators like clothes, car, house, jet, private island, etc.