So besides the loss in basic research, is it bad that universities should get squeezed? ...in a universe where superfluous administration is cut first, it is not.
Yeah, the problem is that they don't cut admin first. They cut newspapers, and sports, and bring in adjuncts who cost a lot less and are desperate for work.
.... sports?
Only if they aren't something that attract a crowd. I see very few colleges cutting basketball or football programs so they don't have to maintain stadiums any more.
I wonder how many of these students come primarily for the subsequent job opportunities. If they were able to come for the education but not the subsequent OPT, would they still be willing to come? I've seen the tuition some of them paying like $50k/year and not sure how they can afford it unless they are hoping for big returns afterwards.
Most students studying abroad plan to work in that country
Source? I have a different viewpoint, a lot of people have national pride, still have a better network back home, or their parents' business, so that they actually go back to work in their home countries.
Even my old community college stuffed itself on mediocre kids from overseas paying 3x market rate, but god their parents were probably really stoked to see them be someone else's problem. Universities need to cull their bureaucracies and stop wasting their time, money and effort with their spin-out accelerator programs. Research, teach and keep the roof patched. Problem is, they will probably double down on out of st…
A lot of my professors in undergrad engineering hated teaching. They openly derided it as a chore. This was very disheartening as a student to hear.
More a consequence of the schools happily trading teaching quality for research prestige.
As other have pointed out, this is mostly about the schools losing full-tuition international students, ie.e "International students pay double the $6,445 tuition of Missouri residents" --which is insane. I mean, it's insane for in-state students to have to shell out 6.5 thousand a year for higher ed... The international students are typically those kids of parents who are perhaps middle to upper middle class in a fo…
>go back home for a job Haha. Not really. American salaries, standards of living are among the highest/best in the planet. Plus an abundance of economic opportunities and relatively low discrimination compared to what one may face in other developed countries. These are the only factors which decide whether a family sends their kid to the US for higher ed or not. The degrees themselves aren't worth much at all. Unles…
> Haha. Not really. American salaries, standards of living are among the highest/best in the planet. Plus an abundance of economic opportunities and relatively low discrimination compared to what one may face in other developed countries.
"Let me fix all of these points for you!" - Donald Trump
Most students studying abroad plan to work in that country
Source? I have a different viewpoint, a lot of people have national pride, still have a better network back home, or their parents' business, so that they actually go back to work in their home countries.
I'd say it depends on the quality of life in the student's country. Those from western Europe, Japan, South Korea and Australia and any other country with similar quality of life would not mind going back, but almost everyone else would rather stay.
Trump is going to ruin the American economy. Attack universities by discouraging foreign students. Cut federal funding for research. Encourage political attacks on universities. The most damaging will be not forgiving student loans from people who went to scam universities, like Trump university. What Trump and others don’t recognize is that the American university system is a distributed system of factories that man…
>> Trump and others don’t recognize is that the American university system is a distributed system of factories that manufacture knowledge, innovation and the future. There is another side to this. And that is that the American university system has a distinct political agenda that is opposed to the interests of the Trump-supporting half of the American electorate. It is a bad thing for innovation when there are fewe…
Disclaimer: I'm not American. But my view is that the American right has placed itself outside the Overton window of anyone with a higher education.
For example, the President is a climate change denier. How do you expect those views to be represented in universities when they fly in the face of overwhelming scientific evidence?
In most countries, this problem doesn't exist because parties with ideas equivalent to the GOP don't exist or are marginal.
This is all negative for the US but our loss is the world’s gain. China’s economy will pass the US’s in the 2030’s, for example. India will rise to #3. We should expect more R&D from the rest of the world. China may lead the world in AI and space exploration. India in drug research. Billions of people will come out of poverty. American students may flock to India to get a better education at a fraction of the cost.
> This is all negative for the US but our loss is the world’s gain That's fine, why shouldn't other countries do well and achieve success. There was a story about China offering a house and a huge research budget to a Chinese national who just graduated from a US school. And people were upset and kind of negative about it, but I think it is great that China can do it. > American students may flock to India to get a b…
Other countries should achieve success. However, the American view, or better say the view of the powerful countries is that success equals strength and leadership. America wants to maintain that position, they need diplomacy, AI, education, weapons, agriculture... Etc. If you fall down in any of these categories to depend on another nation, that gives them a hand above you.
U overstated it vastly...In China, UK degrees got so inflated, many of which being one year master, that they are pretty useless now.Oversea working experience is still valued
In China, UK degrees got so inflated This is driven by ex-poly degree mills cashing in. If you’re studying in the UK it’s Russell Group is still prestigious for the right reasons. Otherwise the value is questionable.
Maybe true, though I don't really know Russell Group until now. Ultimately it depends on name recongition and rarity.
> The resentment comes because the UC system has a limited enrollment capacity with competitive admissions, and has a mission of educating residents. So when foreign students take some of those enrollment slots, local students who missed the cut feel cheated. It's competitive, however it is anything but impossible to get admission into a UC. I'd consider the paths to getting in straight forward. Either in highschool…
I'd add that meeting and interacting with international students is one of the perks of going to a good university. It expands your worldview.
This is true for business degrees especially -- it's all about making connections with people who can help you in your career for decades afterwards.
I think it applies to science and arts degrees too. Certainly if you stay in academia, having international academic connections can be very useful.
There are really three different downsides to this. First, the foreign students cross-subsidize the locals' education. There are large fixed costs to running a university and these students pay way above their marginal costs. So now the universities have fewer resources; hence cutting the newspaper funding etc. Second, the foreign students increase the schools' reputations and can collaborate with the faculty. Resear…