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Re: Facebook Is Deleting Accounts at the Direction of the US and Israeli Governments

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Post by Udik » Mon, Jan 01, 2018, 1:14 PM UTC

pwaai wrote: post #114

Udik wrote: post #68

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> I'm neutral to the Israeli-Palestine conflict. Each side is doing what they believe is just. Doesn't seem to me a very sound stance, as you can do very evil or wrong things while doing what you believe is just. I agree with the "asymmetric warfare" definition (which by the way implies conventional warfare from one of the two sides); however you should not forget that is one of the two parties that is illegally occu…

All I'm saying is there's no absolutes in life. Everything is relative. I'm not denying Palestines their right to freedom. I'm not denying Israelis their right to exist. All I've done is just depict the situation as it is. No judgement, no side taking. North Korea does what it does to survive. South Korea does what it needs to do to the same.

Palestinians fight for their freedom and very right to exist. Israel fights to keep control over territories that have been stolen to somebody else. Nobody would object if they were fighting in self-defense, but they're not (though of course that is what they want you to believe, otherwise how could you support them or even declare yourself neutral?).

> All I've done is just depict the situation as it is.

No, you didn't. You described the Israeli position as they made you believe it is, not as it really is.

Re: Facebook Is Deleting Accounts at the Direction of the US and Israeli Governments

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Post by LorenPechtel » Mon, Jan 01, 2018, 4:26 PM UTC

lostlogin wrote: post #109

LorenPechtel wrote: post #106

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And this is a sporting event where we should equalize the sides? The idea that the death toll proves anything is lunacy.

Are you arguing that the death toll proves nothing? A race to zero is what I’m after. It’s been/being done in other places, it can happen there.

The death toll was presented as evidence that Israel is in the wrong. I'm saying it proves nothing about which side is in the wrong.

Re: Facebook Is Deleting Accounts at the Direction of the US and Israeli Governments

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Post by LorenPechtel » Mon, Jan 01, 2018, 4:28 PM UTC

lostlogin wrote: post #110

LorenPechtel wrote: post #104

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Remember who owns Al Jazeeera. Hint: A terrorist sponsor.

A strict definition sees many governments tarred with this brush, with the US, Russia, UK being stand outs. Others see the terrorists as freedom fighting, and they have some good points. This line of arguing achieves nothing, but that’s the point isn’t it? AJ has some of the best reporting about, but attacking the messenger and not the message is far easier isn’t it?

AJ used to have some of the best reporting around. Now, the desires of their owners outweigh accurate reporting.

Re: Facebook Is Deleting Accounts at the Direction of the US and Israeli Governments

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Post by LorenPechtel » Mon, Jan 01, 2018, 4:36 PM UTC

lostlogin wrote: post #115

ars wrote: post #112

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AJ threw a birthday part for a terrorist who murdered children: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFWVkSU3ic4 > but attacking the messenger They are not a messenger but are full party to praising those who would proudly kill children. I know the US has killed children in conflicts, but the US isn't proud of it, they don't celebrate it. > Others see the terrorists as freedom fighting No. This is false. No one sees terro…

“I await your answer”. Really? Yes, Palestinians think freedom is worth fighting for. That man didn’t help his cause. This is not related to the issue though is it? AJ cover issues in the region better than many news orgs.

Except "fighting" means attacking your enemy. It doesn't mean targeting civilians. It's usually quite easy to tell terrorists from freedom fighters: Look at their targets. Military/government targets--freedom fighters. Civilian targets--terrorists. Dual-use targets are considered military for this purpose. Mistakes and malfunctions don't count--what counts is what the person who picked the target believed to be in the area of effect.

There are very few cases where this doesn't provide a clear answer. (Although occasionally politicians get it wrong--the USS Cole bombing was not terrorism.)

Re: Facebook Is Deleting Accounts at the Direction of the US and Israeli Governments

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Post by wavefunction » Mon, Jan 01, 2018, 6:29 PM UTC

dang wrote: post #107

wavefunction wrote: post #101

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Let me know when facebook gets us into a war with another world power.

You've been using HN primarily for ideological and political battle. That's an abuse of the site, and we ban accounts that do it, so would you please read https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and use the site as intended?

Actually I use it primarily to read technical articles posted here and I reply to comments on here whatever the subject. Nothing I said was untrue and I was quite fair in fact to either of the two sides described in my post.

I will refrain from causing any future concern from you or anyone else, since I don't mean to hurt anyone's feelings.