Simple flash card app that's amazing for vocab. Good luck, man.
Ask HN: How have you learned a speaking language?
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Re: Ask HN: How have you learned a speaking language?
#72TLDR: attack learning a language from as many angles and media as possible, multitask language learning with other goals (walking/exercise, travel, movies to see etc). -- I've studied over 10 languages, and have known 5 fluently at one point or another. I wrote a post about my 30,000ft tips here: http://cosmicrays.wordpress.com/2010/05/16/language-learning... As for closer to the ground tips WRT study resources, I li…
Re: Ask HN: How have you learned a speaking language?
#73I grew up in a bilingual home but was not raised bilingual. I used to nag my mother incessantly to teach me German words and I picked up some vocabulary that way. I also used audiotapes some. When I was 16, a friend of the family got married and several of her relatives came, some of whom spoke no English. I finally began speaking German during the month they were visiting. I later lived in Germany as an adult -- not really in an immersion setting, though, because I mostly interacted with American military families and mostly spoke English. Still, living there did improve my spoken German a good deal. I speak conversational German but really can't read or write it that well and can't much follow the news because they use words I don't know. I studied French formally in school for a time. I read and write it a little bit but really don't speak it fluently and never developed an ear for it. Growing up in a home where I heard German regularly meant I started out with an ear for it, and that really helped.
FWIW: My mother has said she learned English by watching TV. I have found that helpful with trying to pick up a little Spanish but I am really not persistent enough with it.
Re: Ask HN: How have you learned a speaking language?
#74Bio: Learning Japanese and now able to read programming, business and general how-to books and communicate via email using Kanji. Reading literature with its flowery vocabulary and Kanji though is still very hard. Can write under 1500 - 2000 Kanji and know nearly a pronunciation for each symbol though there are many many more and far from fluent. I've also started to do some basic translation (Japanese to English) an…
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#75I have got to a reasonable level with mandarin Chinese through on-and-off study over a few years, mostly in my free time. Here is what worked for me. 1) Most important is how much time you put in. Don't worry about the on-and-off, though regular is better. Don't worry too much about efficiency unless you're putting in the hours. For Chinese I estimate I've spent at least 2000 hours studying to get to where I am today…
http://www.shawshara.com/wiki/Main_Page
The page for the song I linked to above is:
http://www.shawshara.com/wiki/Ayami_Beek_(song)
Edit: although looking at the (English) lyrics reminds me that karaoke is a particularly good way to learn to say how much you like somebody, which is useful but not the be all and end all
Edit2: The world cup Waving Flag song is fun and is translated into lots of languages. Here's the Arabic version with subtitles and translations.
Re: Ask HN: How have you learned a speaking language?
#76I've never had a lot of luck with Rosetta. It often came away with the wrong meaning of the words, etc. I prefer knowing a little of the basic grammer to see what's going on first. This makes it easier to learn other related languages.
I learned a good amount of French in a few days because the verb forms and latin roots are so similar. Rosetta is like asking a native speaker the rules of their grammer. Can you say why you speak the way you do - other than "that is/ is not right"? I can't very well.
Re: Ask HN: How have you learned a speaking language?
#77Earlier quoted context omitted.
Having taken a Masters in Linguistics, and learned 3 languages besides my native one, I'd say that 1, 3 + 4 are basically the key to learning any language. It really is "Use it or lose it" when it comes to learning a new language.
Would you say you're a rare case, as far as learning three languages? Many that pursue linguistics seem offended when asked how many languages they speak.
Re: Ask HN: How have you learned a speaking language?
#78Re: Ask HN: How have you learned a speaking language?
#79First, the older you get, the harder it becomes to learn a language. So begin now, regardless of your age. Second, you really must have a strong interest in the language, culture, or people of the target language (or at least be able to grow that interest over time). Preferably, the sound of the language should also appeal to you on a certain level. Learning a language is a commitment. That said, it is possible to da…
I would start with number 4, and save the formal grammar study for (much) later. IMHO, the far most important thing to do is to listen. I prefer podcasts, but anything (radio, films, TV, overheard conversations in bars) will do. Understanding spoken language is also (again in my opinion) by far the most difficult part of learning a language. Especially in real life, and really noisy, situations, where you probably on…
I think the choice of whether to use a grammar or not depends on the student. If you're a beginning language learner, then it may be best to put it off. If you understand the concepts of declensions and conjugations (and the different tenses, moods, etc. typically encountered), then a grammar can be a quick way to get the lay of the land.
One of the first things I do is to learn the personal pronouns, articles, and conjunctions (short work). Then I'll look at "to be" and "to have" (at least for the Indo-European language family). That way, when I start listening, I've got some scaffolding upon which to start building my understanding. This is one of the few areas where learning a language as an adult has an advantage over the immersion of a child--you can use your cognitive capabilities to take a short cut.
Re: Ask HN: How have you learned a speaking language?
#80First, the older you get, the harder it becomes to learn a language. So begin now, regardless of your age. Second, you really must have a strong interest in the language, culture, or people of the target language (or at least be able to grow that interest over time). Preferably, the sound of the language should also appeal to you on a certain level. Learning a language is a commitment. That said, it is possible to da…
I would start with number 4, and save the formal grammar study for (much) later. IMHO, the far most important thing to do is to listen. I prefer podcasts, but anything (radio, films, TV, overheard conversations in bars) will do. Understanding spoken language is also (again in my opinion) by far the most difficult part of learning a language. Especially in real life, and really noisy, situations, where you probably on…