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A Message to Our Customers about iPhone Batteries and Performance

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Re: A Message to Our Customers about iPhone Batteries and Performance

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Post by xbkingx »

MBCook wrote: post #424
austenallred wrote: post #272

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I don't think it's just about it being cheap; I think it's about literally making some sizes and configurations of phones work. If you look at where the battery is currently ( https://d3nevzfk7ii3be.cloudfront.net/igi/2oa2QHEoq4Ke16su.m... ) there's no way to make the battery accessible without letting you easily open the entire case. It's just a trade-off, and a replacable battery isn't worth the trade-offs. I 100%…

Which all of a sudden makes it EXTREMELY hard to waterproof compared to what you’re working on right now, which was a big win on the 6S and seven.

Galaxy S5 was waterproof with a removable back. All the current waterproof phones have SIM card trays, mic holes, cord connectors, speakers, etc, so it might not be as 'extreme' as you're thinking. Just need a continuous rubber gasket and a tight fit. Of course making your phone out of materials that bend or shatter instead of flexing becomes a bigger problem, especially since the former offers no practical benefit beyond 'feel'.

Re: A Message to Our Customers about iPhone Batteries and Performance

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Post by mlindner »

kryptiskt wrote: post #577
compiler-guy wrote: post #423

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The battery is not underprovisioned. Every single battery starts to go bad eventually. The question is what to do when it does.

Of course it is, if it can't deliver the current the phone requires after some usage it's not fit for purpose. It's BECAUSE every single battery starts to go bad that they should have put in a battery that will work after a couple of years of degradation.

Lol. You can't just violate battery physics because you want it to be so.

Re: A Message to Our Customers about iPhone Batteries and Performance

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Post by braderhart »

jmull wrote: post #542
braderhart wrote: post #489

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In this example, and like High Sierra root bug, these are primarily software-based issues that have no transparency to the public to evaluate their true origins or resolve on their own; instead it is masked behind a mostly closed-source multi-national corporation caught evading taxes, abusing workers, and now slowing old phones that further exploits their socio-economic divide: http://www.slate.com/blogs/business_ins…

You're conflating and combing a lot of things here into a big Apple-is-bad bundle. I don't think I can respond to all of it. I don't even necessarily disagree with your conclusion -- at the moment, I don't know enough to decide if Apple, all things weighed, is predominantly "good" or "bad", relative to what you might be able to expect from a large corporation. I probably never will. But if I think it's a fairly extra…

I think I am fundamentally misunderstanding the appeal of these devices, which is why I don't own one. I don't want to use iCloud, iTunes, or anything else to lock me into an ecosystem that is expensive and restrictive. I don't want to buy exclusive hardware to use an operating system. I run Linux and use rclone with Google Drive and it is still supported. Why? Because Google actually has an API. What about Apple?

https://github.com/ncw/rclone/issues/1778

I don't even want to get into AirPods that are excessively marked up pretty much like every Apple accessory and product:

http://a.co/h3yPiSv

If it isn't about status, then I don't really get why people would choose this path. It doesn't make sense to me. I work in the tech industry and watch people spend $3k all the time for Apple computers and equipment that I can get the same or better specs for half the price by choosing a different company. Maybe I've just never felt it was very ethical to support a business that overcharges for devices that can help educate and provide tools and training to people. I always felt it was the responsibility of companies like this to make their equipment and software as equally accessible as possible, not actively exploit people through social engineering. Not everyone will agree with this, but that is my perception.

Re: A Message to Our Customers about iPhone Batteries and Performance

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Post by dpark »

ekianjo wrote: post #600
girvo wrote: post #552

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So because of communication error, you can dismiss your parent commenter as having “limited” needs? Seems a bit needlessly smug, don’t you think? I also shoot with a EVIL system, specifically Fujifilm’s X system, and while my friends iPhone X I borrowed for a week won’t replace it entirely, it’s on a completely new level for smartphone photography and for the bulk of my photos it really can replace my camera! Glibly…

You wont get anything close to the bokeh provided by larger sensors. It is fine as long as you know what your tradeoffs are.

Bokeh is the quality of blur, not the quantity, and it’s determined mostly by the lens, not the sensor.

Re: A Message to Our Customers about iPhone Batteries and Performance

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Post by braderhart »

jsz0 wrote: post #616
braderhart wrote: post #489

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In this example, and like High Sierra root bug, these are primarily software-based issues that have no transparency to the public to evaluate their true origins or resolve on their own; instead it is masked behind a mostly closed-source multi-national corporation caught evading taxes, abusing workers, and now slowing old phones that further exploits their socio-economic divide: http://www.slate.com/blogs/business_ins…

If you think this is important you should definitely buy an Android device instead. No need to belittle and mock people who have different priorities than you. That's a nasty way to be.

I wouldn't take it personal because I don't like Apple. Maybe it came across that way, but it really is more about the company and culture as a whole.

Re: A Message to Our Customers about iPhone Batteries and Performance

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Post by natch »

dionidium wrote: post #524
user5994461 wrote: post #438

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The intended word was probably "ludicrous".

I doubt it. He's using it to mean "slippery" or "shifty." It's not a great use of the word, but that's probably the intention.

Doesn't fit the context.

Re: A Message to Our Customers about iPhone Batteries and Performance

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Post by braderhart »

greedo wrote: post #508
braderhart wrote: post #489

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In this example, and like High Sierra root bug, these are primarily software-based issues that have no transparency to the public to evaluate their true origins or resolve on their own; instead it is masked behind a mostly closed-source multi-national corporation caught evading taxes, abusing workers, and now slowing old phones that further exploits their socio-economic divide: http://www.slate.com/blogs/business_ins…

Android is so pure, they'd never do this type of throttling. Oh wait: https://plus.google.com/+YgorCortes/posts/CZ2GhoxgHk3

Except people post solutions/tools to diagnose & fix the problem in that link, because it is a significantly more open platform.

Re: A Message to Our Customers about iPhone Batteries and Performance

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Post by madez »

carterehsmith wrote: post #625
madez wrote: post #458

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With Android you are not necessarily forced into a locked-in ecosystem. I use a Google-free Android phone. I can watch movies and listen to music, talk to people and chat. And I'm free to take my data and move to another device. So, yes, extracting all of your data Apple is not withholding from you, getting another device, and then selling the Apple devices is what I would start with. Also, I would keep an open eye f…

>> I use a Google-free Android phone. I can watch movies and listen to music, talk to people and chat. Is that somehow impressive? Every smartphone since 1980 can do that. >> And I'm free to take my data and move to another device. So what. People with Androids and Iphones can, and do, move to another device, data included. So what is your point.

It's not impressive. However, it shows that I don't need to abstain from modern uses of my device.

The first ancestor of this comment chain is saying, that they were locked-in partly because they couldn't move media out. This contradicts you.

Re: A Message to Our Customers about iPhone Batteries and Performance

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Post by frik »

jmull wrote: post #115

> Apple is reducing the price of an out-of-warranty iPhone battery replacement by $50 — from $79 to $29... > Early in 2018, we will issue an iOS software update with new features that give users more visibility into the health of their iPhone’s battery, so they can see for themselves if its condition is affecting performance. There we go. It took too much trouble and too long for it to happen, but Apple is stepping u…

So instead of stopping this shady software tactics, by slowing down devices by software means - they continue doing so???

WTF. They have been caught with iOS7 and iOS11 both massively slowed down certain devices. They just have to stop doing this, it's not legal.

Re: A Message to Our Customers about iPhone Batteries and Performance

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Post by primrose »

rorykoehler wrote: post #620
tinus_hn wrote: post #537

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The update that ‘caused’ this issue only did so for the iPhone 6 and up so a replacement wouldn’t be necessary for older models. Also, if you must keep using these old phones when they are no longer supported and have known and unpatched vulnerabilities, please be a good citizen and keep them off of our internet.

I find that very hard to believe. We've been witnessing these slow downs since the beginning

My 3G slowed to a crawl with an update. Made me switch to Android for a few phone till I realized Apple's software was way better.
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