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Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by ubu7737 »

robin_reala wrote: post #179
serpix wrote: post #161

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The new rMBP is about five hours if you don't touch it at all. under 4 hours if used for working. It is a step down from my previous 2012 model which is a damn shame.

There’s something wrong with your machine. I can squeeze a full days’ work out of it if I need to, and Apple claim up to 10 hours.

> I can squeeze a full days’ work out of it if I need to

No you can't. Do you think you can just lie openly about this? The only way to make this statement true is that you don't do any actual work on your laptop.

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by seba_dos1 »

reacharavindh wrote: post #59

Not so long ago, I use to justify to myself that: * Mac is good hardware and software I can count on. Just pay and focus on your real job. * Apple cares about privacy very publicly, so they are probably not selling my data or doing anything stupid with it. Although, there is no way for me to know. * My work is buying the hardware for me. Why bother spending time building one that I need to maintain so much. Get the o…

>Although I will sorely miss the "Copy on the phone, Paste on Mac" functionality.

KDE Connect

Also, I'm using a Yoga with 3200x1800 13" display without bigger issues, so in general, "retina" screens are replaceable.

>Although, there is no way for me to know.

That's the absolute showstopper when it comes to privacy anyway, isn't it? They can say whatever they want, the fact is - they build devices I can't control and invest heavily in keeping their gardens walled, which is directly against me being sure about my privacy.

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by ubu7737 »

mnm1 wrote: post #204
azinman2 wrote: post #142

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Your mbp doesn’t sleep properly? I haven’t heard of such a thing. What all do you have running on it?

Never has. To be clear, it sleeps, just never wakes up sometimes. It's actually quite often that this happens. Often it won't even wake up after opening the lid and tapping on its internal keys, so it's not just a USB issue. I'm not running anything unusual. Jetbrains IDEs, Chromium, iTerm2, vmware fusion, slack, sublime, etc. This is an ongoing issue for 4 OS X versions since I bought the laptop. I've just given up…

Same issue here, and I run similar workloads.

When I get to work in the morning I just expect that I'll be rebooting this PoS as soon as I open it.

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by user5994461 »

reubenswartz wrote: post #145
timdeneau wrote: post #133

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The fix: stop the annual release cycle. There isn't a customer demand for it, and it’s a hassle for basically everyone. The issues in 10.12.x get fixed with 10.13, but 10.13 has the same amount of different issues, so it’s a wash. There’s no stable version anymore.

The problem is the OS X annual release cycle is tied to the iOS annual release cycle, which is tied to the annual iPhone upgrade cycle, which is the core part of Apple's business. I wish there was a way to update a module to get whatever iOS-tied goodies Apple wants to offer, without overhauling the whole Mac OS.

They should sell a new generation, with nothing changed except the generation number. It has all the benefits of a new release without the hassle of changes.

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by ProAm »

carterehsmith wrote: post #249
ProAm wrote: post #237

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Yes I was mainly referring to desktop and laptops. Phones were mostly in the 2x range for a longtime until other companies began to push their 'flagship' phones at high prices as well. I've never been an Apple person but I used to recommend Apple to my non-technical friends and family and say, 'Your going to pay a bit more but not have to worry about it not working, getting viruses (back when this was an issue), etc.…

Sure, so where is this 3-4x coming from? We would all love to have something comparable to MBP for 1/4 the price, but.. where is it?

You can easily build a comparable one for 1/4 of the price. Especially for what most Mac users do with their PC/laptops. Apple has always extraordinarily overcharged/taken advantage of their customers. Of course this is my opinion, and like I said I even used to recommend them to less than technical folks because it used to 'just work'.

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by geophile »

abecedarius wrote: post #159
reacharavindh wrote: post #59

Not so long ago, I use to justify to myself that: * Mac is good hardware and software I can count on. Just pay and focus on your real job. * Apple cares about privacy very publicly, so they are probably not selling my data or doing anything stupid with it. Although, there is no way for me to know. * My work is buying the hardware for me. Why bother spending time building one that I need to maintain so much. Get the o…

In that vein, I'm thinking of ordering a Purism laptop. Anyone care to post how you like it? The last big thread https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15510428 didn't get much in the way of actual experiences reported.

Do they actually exist? My friend got tired of waiting and got a refund. That was maybe a year ago.

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by fatbird »

aaomidi wrote: post #72
ohthehugemanate wrote: post #61

Apple went from building fantastically reliable software on beautiful, powerful devices, to... Well, this. Even die hard apple fans don't use their built in apps for calendar, music, mail, or really anything, because the design is so bloated. Their hardware performance lags the rest of the market at their price point, and skirt the lines of programmed obsolescence. And now apparently their major OS updates go out wit…

My avoidance of their built in apps is just simply that I don't want to be locked in to the apple eco system. Apple has always took a closed approach to their software and it's going to hurt them in the long run.

Every time I think their walled garden will hurt them, I end up at my parents trying to help them through various issues on their Android devices, which come from different vendors so it's all kind of different even between devices when it should be the same, and I realize that the walled garden has some really obvious benefits that the HN crowd is somehow uniquely unable to appreciate.

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by Xophmeister »

paulnevada wrote: post #260

High Sierra, after playing with the freeze-ups and slow typing recognition for about a week I think I finally found the problem IMO. When Apple decided to re-format to the APFS file system they had a huge re-format dilemma for folks with only one SSD available to boot with. So Apple decided to go to a running format of the solid state drive included in the High Sierra package. Guess what! It doesn't work! Way too muc…

SSDs don’t suffer from access latency due to fragmentation like spinning disks do. In fact, one would probably be better off not defragmenting an SSD because all those writes will reduce the life of the disk.

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by explainplease »

reacharavindh wrote: post #221
kanishkdudeja wrote: post #214

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Why not Ubuntu?

Because I want a BSD-like simplicity/minimalism with a Linux kernel(for its extensive driver support for laptops). Ubuntu is just not that.

Recommend restic for backups. Great new software that's under active development.

Recommend Debian for the distro. It does a lot of things for you, and correctly, but it is also infinitely configurable. It can be the "just works" distro you need, as well as the hacker's tinkerable distro you want. And it has staying power and consistent security updates. Mix stable with testing/unstable and get stability where you need it and recency where you need that. Plus the community and documentation are very good.

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by acdha »

christoph wrote: post #11
jarym wrote: post #4

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Have to agree, my biggest concern for putting it off was APFS so I waited until no one complained about it for long enough thinking 'everything else should still be ok' - big mistake. Stay away until Schiller praises the 'stability' release at 2018 Developer Conference.

I think it’s APFS that’s the cause of my biggest frustration, but I’ve not seen anyone else complain about. I normally run with about 50gb free space. After three to four days, I’m normally down to about 3gb and nothing will get it to show back up, other than a reboot. I’ve even run a test which supports this - downloaded 35gb of files, deleted them and emptied the trash. Same thing... space is missing till I reboot.

Use lsof to look for deleted files which are still open. I’ve debugged that problem with third-party software (AV, backups) a few times over the years.
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